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    Re: the thread for Kodak XTOL quality control issues

    We don’t know what the problem is.

    Hopefully there will be an update soon. The last official bulletin about this in early January indicated they were hoping to have batches from the new supplier ready to ship in mid February.

    Quote Originally Posted by braxus View Post
    I bought two bags that are from this problem batches. I mixed one up a month before the announcement and had no issues with it, other then floaters when initially mixing it up (they went away). I used some of this developer as recent as late last month, and the negs turned out fine. So even though my batch is supposed to be bad, it is working as its supposed to.

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    Re: the thread for Kodak XTOL quality control issues

    I've been using the bad batch since it was first announced with no issues. I'm using a replenished regime.

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    Re: the thread for Kodak XTOL quality control issues

    I also mixed some from the bad batch today, and running a test roll of HP5 through. it look perfectly OK.

    As a side note I bought some Fomadon Excel as an alternative, waiting for the replacement. It's supposed to be more or less the same. Published times for stock solution are the same as Xtol. At 1+1 thou, using the same times as Xtol, my HP5+ tests came out very dense and severely overdeveloped. Looked like I had set the the ISO to 100 (which I had not). So beware, it's not the same as Xtol, as one can be led to believe.

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    Top is Fomadon Excel, bottom Xtol (bad batch). Both 1+1 and 9 1/2 minuets at 20 degrees

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    Re: the thread for Kodak XTOL quality control issues

    At this point I'm getting very interested in Adox's solution. It's not that I mind waiting either. I know Kodak is likely switching suppliers and all, I get it. It's that they're so tight lipped about it and now I can't even get a response from their e-mail address (I ended up with 2 more bags of the tainted stuff and they have yet to acknowledge it). Heck I even at this point don't care about getting my money back for the bad bags. I won't even mind if it's more expensive, I just need to know when I can expect it to arrive with some good information about what's going on.

    Today I spent time looking at alternatives and as far as replenishment goes, there's T-Max RS but I think that's about it that's sort of "off the shelf". D76/ID11 can be mixed for replenished stocks but otherwise I came right back around to XTOL.

    For now I've got some HC-110 and unmixed ID11 and Microphen I'm thinking about using. I have photos I shot last week during the Texas winterpacalypse I'd really like to develop.

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    Re: the thread for Kodak XTOL quality control issues

    I really hope that Kodak gets it together - and soon. They have been reliable for so long and I hate to see this happening. By the way, where are the replacements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by urnem57 View Post
    I really hope that Kodak gets it together - and soon. They have been reliable for so long and I hate to see this happening. By the way, where are the replacements?
    Hope is good, but will not carry long ��. People do mistakes and companies do have problems, and customers understand if a company take care their customers. Not sure if the later part is valid with Kodak

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    Re: the thread for Kodak XTOL quality control issues

    Quote Originally Posted by urnem57 View Post
    I really hope that Kodak gets it together - and soon. They have been reliable for so long and I hate to see this happening. By the way, where are the replacements?
    Um... this is photography, yes? Kodak got out of that business back in 2011, because of its bankruptcy. I think they still do motion picture stuff, but consumer photography got sold to a Brit firm called Alaris. I think they changed their name to Kodak Alaris (why not? they bought the brand, might as well use it), but that could be a more recent event, IDK.

    So, let's hope that Alaris gets it together. BTW, the "genius" that decided that Kodak should quit making their own stuff and should outsource everything they could (thus giving up control, particularly quality control) was a former CEO named Antonio Pérez. Probably made him a fortune in executive bonuses, but it's what's made XTOL rather untrustworthy today IMHO. So thanks a lot Perez, what a swell guy you were. If you're looking for a bad guy in this story, Perez has my vote.

    I could be completely wrong about this (would not be the first time), but this is what I remember and a quick look at the Wikipedia entry for Kodak confirms most of it. As does a look at:

    https://imaging.kodakalaris.com/

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    Re: the thread for Kodak XTOL quality control issues

    Bruce, that account of the history isn't quite right. But most important for the present context, last June Kodak Alaris sold the photo paper and photo chemicals business on to Sino Promise:

    http://www.sinopromise.com/content/info/id/62.html

    So yet another set of hands is now responsible for it.

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    Re: the thread for Kodak XTOL quality control issues

    Well, Eastman Kodak makes all of the film, colour and black and white, in Rochester, so there’s that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Watson View Post
    Um... this is photography, yes? Kodak got out of that business back in 2011, because of its bankruptcy. I think they still do motion picture stuff, but consumer photography got sold to a Brit firm called Alaris. I think they changed their name to Kodak Alaris (why not? they bought the brand, might as well use it), but that could be a more recent event, IDK.

    So, let's hope that Alaris gets it together. BTW, the "genius" that decided that Kodak should quit making their own stuff and should outsource everything they could (thus giving up control, particularly quality control) was a former CEO named Antonio Pérez. Probably made him a fortune in executive bonuses, but it's what's made XTOL rather untrustworthy today IMHO. So thanks a lot Perez, what a swell guy you were. If you're looking for a bad guy in this story, Perez has my vote.

    I could be completely wrong about this (would not be the first time), but this is what I remember and a quick look at the Wikipedia entry for Kodak confirms most of it. As does a look at:

    https://imaging.kodakalaris.com/

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    Re: the thread for Kodak XTOL quality control issues

    Sino Promise has been making their C-41 for a while, but I thought hadn't been making XTOL? The tainted batches reference Germany and I thought Sino was China (Hong Kong)? Flexicolor chems are rather good so I'm hoping if it is moving under Sino from whomever it was is a step in the right direction.

    But again, though I'm excited about Kodak's teasing about new film and what not, I think if Adox comes out with an XTOL like option, it's something I will seriously evaluate.

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