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    Re: Graphic bed drop / front tilt ?

    This might be of help...

    https://www.largeformatphotography.i...ras/pacemaker/

    If you are using a 135mm or 150mm, the drop bed, front rise, and the front-standard's back tilt, one should be able to easily duplicate the small amount of front tilt one might come across needing for landscape work.

    I have an older model (pre-anniversary...wood) and it has been years since I handled a newer Crown. I remember it being rather straight forward, with needing to make sure the rail hinge was in the right place before dropping. Something like that.
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    Re: Graphic bed drop / front tilt ?

    Tilting the front places considerable demand on lens covering power, something the stock lenses found on press cameras are not generally known for. Use front tilt sparingly or you will soon exceed coverage.

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    Re: Graphic bed drop / front tilt ?

    This thread on Photrio might help...

    https://www.photrio.com/forum/thread...ension.180271/
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    Re: Graphic bed drop / front tilt ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    Hmm. Are you thinking 2x3?

    Doremus, Graphics have fixed backs.
    Ah, I see... This shows my total ignorance of Speed and Crown Graphics! All the more reason to not use them if you need tilts

    Maybe the OP needs another camera? Really, if Graphic press cameras and other knock-offs are like this, then their use is limited to those types of situations and subjects that don't need the careful image management that a regular view camera provides, despite their larger film size. I can't see much advantage of a featureless press camera over MF...

    I moved to large format just because I needed movements. My experience is only with fairly full-featured monorails and field cameras with tilts/swings on both standards, front rise/fall and shift on at least one standard; those are my minimum requirements.

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    Re: Graphic bed drop / front tilt ?

    As a increasingly frequent user of Crown Graphics, I think it is easy to sell them short as general purpose landscape cameras, despite the relative lack of movements. My most frequently used movement is front rise. They handle that just fine. It is pretty rare that I can't use composition and/or depth of field to avoid using front tilt. But you can reverse the front standard so that they will (with bed in the NOT dropped position) give you front tilt. With those two movements at my disposal, there isn't much to stop me from getting what I want.

    They have many positives:

    1. Outstanding design and build quality;

    2. Self-casing, durable design, that can handle most "normal" lenses pre-installed;

    3. Graflok back (usually);

    4. Numerous focusing options...bed scale, adjustable rangefinder, or ground glass;

    5. Acceptable gg/fresnel combination;

    6. Numerous framing options; optical viewfinder, gg, highly accurate viewing frame for action;

    7. Lots of parts around at reasonable prices;

    8. Bellows that last forever no matter how you treat them;

    9. Can be conveniently handheld.

    In a relatively small shoulder bag, I can fit one of mine with a 135mm Symmar installed. I can easily carry a 90mm angulon and a 210mm R Claron too. Plus a meter and some filters, etc. All that (I am sure) weighs less than my D850.

    No, they can't do everything. All cameras are compromises. But they can do a lot.

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    Re: Graphic bed drop / front tilt ?

    I have met people traveling internationally with a Crown (granted back in the 80s), and one of the things that make them so good for gung-ho hit the road traveling is that it has its own box and if it get stolen, lost, destroyed or damaged, it is often repairable or replaceable. It is tough, it was used as a combat camera. As Kevin seem to say, one looks for images that fits the tools one has. I like my (almost) full movement 8x10 Zone VI and 11x14 Chamonix field cameras, but don't curse my Rollei for having none.

    I weighed my wood Speed Graphic -- with the 150mm tessar lens and shutter it is 5 pounds. Heavier than the Crown due to the rear shutter, but makes it a fun camera to use when mounting barrel lenses or even a magnifying glass as a taking lens.
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    Re: Graphic bed drop / front tilt ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Crisp View Post
    As a increasingly frequent user of Crown Graphics, I think it is easy to sell them short as general purpose landscape cameras, despite the relative lack of movements. My most frequently used movement is front rise. They handle that just fine. It is pretty rare that I can't use composition and/or depth of field to avoid using front tilt. But you can reverse the front standard so that they will (with bed in the NOT dropped position) give you front tilt. With those two movements at my disposal, there isn't much to stop me from getting what I want.

    They have many positives:

    1. Outstanding design and build quality;

    2. Self-casing, durable design, that can handle most "normal" lenses pre-installed;

    3. Graflok back (usually);

    4. Numerous focusing options...bed scale, adjustable rangefinder, or ground glass;

    5. Acceptable gg/fresnel combination;

    6. Numerous framing options; optical viewfinder, gg, highly accurate viewing frame for action;

    7. Lots of parts around at reasonable prices;

    8. Bellows that last forever no matter how you treat them;

    9. Can be conveniently handheld.

    In a relatively small shoulder bag, I can fit one of mine with a 135mm Symmar installed. I can easily carry a 90mm angulon and a 210mm R Claron too. Plus a meter and some filters, etc. All that (I am sure) weighs less than my D850.

    No, they can't do everything. All cameras are compromises. But they can do a lot.
    I've had a Crown Graphic for 30 years. It's a great camera for handheld rangefinder focused pictures. Tmax 400 f16 500th in the sun. Original Xenar 135mm (is it Xenar?) It's the little 4 element Schneider lens. Recently picked up a slightly newer version of the same camera with the top viewfinder, really bright, has the focusing light that works great for dim light up close. You can see why these, Crown and Speed were so incredibly popular with the press, zone focus, huge flash bulbs f16 with 127 - 135 pretty wide lens. 20 square inches of film. Just remember to not double expose. I still have some TXP film packs in the freezer. Flimsy acetate stock but 16 shots, pretty much the same as a couple holders. BTW everyone sees Beseler Negaflat carriers that stretch the film flat. Film pack flimsies were what these carriers were made for.
    I have a Calumet 6x9 4x5 roll film back, but I always end up shooting 4x5.

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    Re: Graphic bed drop / front tilt ?

    When using a Crown graphic on a tripod the thing I dislike is the fixed back. You have to rotate the camera to do a vertical instead of just rotating the back. And then all the movements are shifted around. For me the later Super Graphic would be a better tripod camera.

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