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    Re: Albumen Print Toning Color Shift Examples

    Quote Originally Posted by Tin Can View Post
    Just learned Ed 1 is 400 pages, Ed 2 is 640 pages and Ed 3 is 800 pages

    Ed 1 is as cheap as $16, Ed 2 $42 and Ed 3 is $100

    I also was just told I need right eye surgery and signed papers that I may go blind in that eye...surgery #2...

    I will buy Ed 3

    right now
    I assume you need cataract surgery. If you have a good surgeon, it's a piece of cake. I had both of mine done several years ago.
    If anything else, I would get a 2nd opinion.
    Good luck!
    Jim

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    Re: Albumen Print Toning Color Shift Examples

    Jim, had both cataracts done 2 years ago. Laser too. Glaucoma is quickly advancing. My best surgeon says early next month I need https://www.xengelstent.com/XENGelStent. Which is my only hope in right eye.

    That eye now has 35mm lens coverage on a Dim 5X7 GG.

    90% success, they use Ketamine, same as the Cataract surgery, means no awareness yet awake...

    However Glaucoma is incurable, both parents had it bad...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Noel View Post
    I assume you need cataract surgery. If you have a good surgeon, it's a piece of cake. I had both of mine done several years ago.
    If anything else, I would get a 2nd opinion.
    Good luck!
    Jim
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    Re: Albumen Print Toning Color Shift Examples

    My thoughts and prayers are with you. I wish you only the best of outcomes.

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    Re: Albumen Print Toning Color Shift Examples

    Thank you!
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    Re: Albumen Print Toning Color Shift Examples

    Quote Originally Posted by tgtaylor View Post
    Caveat emptor: I may not have toned this print after all. I have been using that toner consistently on kallitypes for a couple of years - gradually increasing the toner time to about 25 minutes. But for this print, my first and so far only albumin, I may have left it untoned as I didn't identify it as being toned on my website which I normally do when I tone. The reddish tones seem to support that. It strikes me as being very "Watkinesque" which I admire and would imply that Watkins didn't tone his prints.

    I use the tray to develop, tone, fix, clear, and wash - a 11x14 flat bottom Crescoe.
    Carleton Watkins definitely gold toned his prints. His prints would not have survived this long in the fine condition that many of them are in without toning.

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    Re: Albumen Print Toning Color Shift Examples

    ...somewhere I have an albumen print toned with mercuric chloride - a rich, burgundy-brown. If I can find it I will post. But...oh, so very toxic! Will never do this again!

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    Re: Albumen Print Toning Color Shift Examples

    What has messed up many of Watkin's prints is moisture-related mildew foxing. What makes his remaining big albumens so specially valuable is that most of them were destroyed in the 1906 SF earthquake and fire. My little collection of antique albumen prints all still look perfect.

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    Re: Albumen Print Toning Color Shift Examples

    I ended up trying this myself and have some results. I opted for the "Gold-Ammonium Thiocyanate Toner II: POP Formula" recipe from Christopher James' Alternative Photographic Processes book. I chose this formula because it allows you to keep a shelf-stable gold toner in two parts and mix just as much as you need and is supposed to create cooler tones in albumin prints. The mix only lasts a few hours and gold is expensive so this seemed like the best bet.

    First, the untoned albumin print:
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    Here are two gold-toned versions.
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    The right was toned for 30 min in the book's recommended 50ml A : 50ml B : 900ml water dilution. The color is a lot cooler and the contrast is a bit better but it is still distinctly brown.

    The left was toned for 30 min in 3x strength solution (150ml:150ml:900ml). This gets very dark purplish black, similar to watkins' prints. I tried the stronger solution based on this quote from James M. Reilly's The Albumen & Salted Paper Book: "Toning baths for matte salted papers should contain .1 to .2 g gold chloride per liter of toning solution, while glossy albumen paper toners should contain between .4 and .5 g gold chloride per liter of toning solution."

    Here is a comparison of my 3x strength toned print to a random Watkins photo from one of my books of his work:
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    They are pretty close. My blacks aren't as dark and is maybe my midtones are more purple, but then this is comparing a real albumin print to a reproduction in a book so it's apples to oranges.

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    Re: Albumen Print Toning Color Shift Examples

    I don't know how accurate the book reproduction is. Most of the many actual Watkins prints I've seen are the basic brownish. Albumen is certainly a beautiful process. Most gold toner formulas I've read waste gold like crazy; but I'm admittedly not an albumen printer myself. Wish I was.

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