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    Shutter for Heliar 300mm 4.5

    Hi,

    I recently started in LF and got myself a 8x10 camera. I been reading a lot, but obviously I still got a lot to learn as well. First of all, this forum is a great resource, so thanks to all who contribute!
    Now for the question: I'm looking for a couple of lenses to add to the arsenal and I got my eyes on a Heliar 300mm 4.5, which is apparently a wonderful lens. This lens doesn't have any shutter, but it seems there are options to add one.
    Can someone shed some light on this ( I come from smaller size photography where either the camera or the lens got a shutter)? Is it just a matter of finding the right diameter shutter and screw the shutter on the lens as an add-on?
    In this case: any recommendations? I know I can just put a cap with times > 1sec, but I don't want to be limited by this.

    Thanks!

    Filip

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    Re: Shutter for Heliar 300mm 4.5

    Worst case you need to have it in hand and measure with threads measuring tool. My 300 f4.5 velostigmat have new threads mounted inside the Ilex #5. It will be less expensive to wait for a shutter-mounted lens, if new threads are needed.

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    Re: Shutter for Heliar 300mm 4.5

    if you really like the lens and are stuck for a matching shutter, you could get a Packard-Ideal Shutter for it. If you're mainly in a studio (i.e. you control the light) you can get a flash-synchronized Packard and potentially shoot at almost any aperture you like, although the main reason one would want a long f/4.5 is to use it open or near-open with limited DOF. Added flexibility is offered by use of a variable ND filter... Anyway, I came into an (unmarked, "A.M.") 14" Cooke Aviar that's set up like that and that works very well for me.
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    Re: Shutter for Heliar 300mm 4.5

    The heliar 300mm f4.5 could be found in a Compound V shutter like the images below.
    https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=co...iw=375&bih=548

    Since the heliar 300mm/f4.5 would be 66.7mm (please check the actual diameter of the rear element) < 75mm which is the shutter size of sinar copal shutter,
    you could mount the lens in front of the sinar copal shutter and for other barrel lenses you may consider in future.
    My example is as below. The adapter depends on your camera.
    https://www.largeformatphotography.i...+copal+shutter

    Also check out the S.K.Grimes site.
    https://skgrimes.com/products/

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    Re: Shutter for Heliar 300mm 4.5

    It seems that the Compound V shutter is the way to go. I also have to read about the Sinar... (apparently lens barrel is 90mm)
    Here is some interesting stuff I have found:

    https://www.angusparkerphoto.com/blo...s-in-a-shutter

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    Re: Shutter for Heliar 300mm 4.5

    If you're wanting to tinker with barrel lenses, best to get a Sinar camera with Sinar shutter and be done with it. More than just the need for a shutter, there are other camera related items like bellows length or bag bellows, how long can the camera be extended, possible accessories and LOTs more.

    Lens boards are another consideration along with size-weight of lens the camera can properly support.

    Last, if you're new to LF, why 8x10?


    Bernice

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    Re: Shutter for Heliar 300mm 4.5

    Another vote for the Sinar Shutter. I owned a lovely 300mm Braunschweig Heliar and had a local machine shop mount it to a Sinar board.

    It worked effortlessly with a Sinar Shutter, along with many other barrel-mounted lenses that I was able to experiment with over the years.

    The savings were considerable, and I was able to take advantage of each lens's original rounded aperture, one of the reasons for using old lenses.

    See this brief article and you're recognize your 300mm Heliar lens on the left with its lovely iris which is circular at all settings.

    Given the price of 8x10 film, Bernice's point is very well taken: just get a Sinar Camera with a Sinar Shutter and you won't have to worry if the camera is sturdy or rigid enough either.

    You might find this brief article helpful.

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    Re: Shutter for Heliar 300mm 4.5

    How can a Sinar shoot really big lenses?

    405 Kodak, 14.5" SF II Cooke, 14" Verito require a bigger 8X10 lensboard and a very strong support

    I know Ken Lee shot a 610 Nikkor with Sinar and that's why I bought one, but that lens is lightweight
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    Re: Shutter for Heliar 300mm 4.5

    BTW, I have all 4 of those lenses, Sinar shutter and a Norma

    I use a stronger camera with Packard shutter as it has a wider aperture
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    Re: Shutter for Heliar 300mm 4.5

    300mm Heliar not spec'ed ( 250mm ~ 280mm, 8x10 demands at least 312mm) to cover 8x10 at infinity, might be ok for 8x10 at shorter image distances.

    https://www.largeformatphotography.i...ghlight=linhof

    https://www.arnecroell.com/voigtlaender.pdf


    Bernice

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