Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 30

Thread: Visualization, Pre and Post?

  1. #11
    Vaughn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Humboldt County, CA
    Posts
    7,921

    Re: Visualization, Pre and Post?

    Exactly...Minor ties the two together very tightly. He uses the Zone System as a key to (pre)visualization...which is simply to be able to look at what is in front of the camera and know how it will appear when you make your print. The Zone System, and the knowledge of and experience with the equipment and process not only allows one to get from the (pre)visualization to the print, but helps one to (pre)visualize in the first place.

    Another tool to help the process of visualization is looking at lots of good photographs and art in general...to give one's brain images to feed off of.
    "Landscapes exist in the material world yet soar in the realms of the spirit..." Tsung Ping, 5th Century China

  2. #12
    Drew Wiley
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    SF Bay area, CA
    Posts
    14,574

    Re: Visualization, Pre and Post?

    All of the above/none of the above. Unless all of this kind of thing becomes pretty much an instinctive act, it's just a set of Lego blocks. I find it hard to believe that even Minor White thumbed his way through his own manifesto methodology before actually tripping the shutter; there's just too much sheer Gestalt in his work to conclude that. Even one of his prime students remarked that "he wished Minor would just shut up", because so much more was learned just watching him actually take a picture than listening to him repeating all the voices of little green men inside his head. I suspect Minor fiddled around in the darkroom quite a bit to find the best rendering of a negative, just like all of us, which might or might not have turned out the same as he had "previsualized". I really don't care. I get way more from simply looking at one his exceptional prints than bothering to read every overcomplicated diecast dogma he wrote.
    All that Zone System talk is just ballpark anyway - getting a versatile neg where the ball is at least in bounds either side. No need for mystical connotations about each segment of eight grays, or examining the entrails of an owl each morning like Minor did.

  3. #13

    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    now in Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    3,000

    Re: Visualization, Pre and Post?

    Somewhere in my reading, don't know where now, I recall a quote from White's most famous student, Paul Caponigro;
    "Head for the cosmos, Minor, they'll never be able to corner you there."
    Successful pictures can withstand all manner of verbiage, but all the explanations about visualization, pre-, post-, or whatever, cannot save a bad one.

  4. #14
    Alan Klein's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Location
    New Jersey was NYC
    Posts
    822

    Re: Visualization, Pre and Post?

    I think you have to smoke a joint to pre-visualize. Without it, you can only visualize. I believe, and I'm not an English major, that there is no such word as previsualize. It's like there no such word as irregardless. The right words are visualized and regardless. When you visualize, you already are doing it "pre" anything. You're imaging now how it will look later. It's redundant to add pre. It would be like saying pre-before.

  5. #15
    Vaughn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Humboldt County, CA
    Posts
    7,921

    Re: Visualization, Pre and Post?

    Pre-visualization is all the work, experience, and knowledge-gathering one does before one can visualize.
    "Landscapes exist in the material world yet soar in the realms of the spirit..." Tsung Ping, 5th Century China

  6. #16
    Tin Can's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    14,979

    Re: Visualization, Pre and Post?

    so we want to be nonredundant which is a word...
    wear mask or NOT

    is ???

  7. #17
    Drew Wiley
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    SF Bay area, CA
    Posts
    14,574

    Re: Visualization, Pre and Post?

    Postvisualization is necessary if you're into calibrating previsualization. Post-nonredundant; prepostvisualization? Let's see, there's the inner planets, the asteroid belt, the outer planets, the Kuiper belt .... where are the other four zones? Only NASA, Timothy Leary, and Minor White know for sure.

  8. #18
    Alan Klein's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Location
    New Jersey was NYC
    Posts
    822

    Re: Visualization, Pre and Post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tin Can View Post
    so we want to be nonredundant which is a word...
    Irregardless, previsualization isn't a word.

  9. #19
    Alan Klein's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Location
    New Jersey was NYC
    Posts
    822

    Re: Visualization, Pre and Post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Wiley View Post
    Postvisualization is necessary if you're into calibrating previsualization. Post-nonredundant; prepostvisualization? Let's see, there's the inner planets, the asteroid belt, the outer planets, the Kuiper belt .... where are the other four zones? Only NASA, Timothy Leary, and Minor White know for sure.
    I think you're prepostvisualizing about LSD not weed.

  10. #20

    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Posts
    342

    Re: Visualization, Pre and Post?

    Previsualization is what you hope to achieve...

    Postvisualization is the gyrations undertaken to make what you actually achieved look like what you originally hoped to achieve.

Similar Threads

  1. How about " post visualization?"
    By John Kasaian in forum On Photography
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 18-Feb-2015, 16:47
  2. When did Visualization become 'pre'- visualization?
    By Willie in forum On Photography
    Replies: 97
    Last Post: 13-Jan-2015, 18:28
  3. 3D visualization of movements
    By Leonard Evens in forum Style & Technique
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 1-Jul-2007, 12:41
  4. Exp., Dev. and Visualization in a scanning world.
    By Kirk Gittings in forum Digital Hardware
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 6-Jan-2005, 23:45
  5. visualization versus previsualization
    By shaman in forum Style & Technique
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 15-Sep-1999, 22:14

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •