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    Are there alternatives for Schneider Super Angulon XL 210mm to cover 11x14"?

    The title says it all. XL 210mm is the king but what can get close to it with its own compromises of course?

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    Re: Are there alternatives for Schneider Super Angulon XL 210mm to cover 11x14"?

    HGi

    i have a Schneider Super Angulon f8 210mm that covers 11x14

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    Re: Are there alternatives for Schneider Super Angulon XL 210mm to cover 11x14"?

    200/6.8 Grandagon-N, claimed coverage 495 mm @ f/22. 5 mm < 210/5.6 SAXL

    edited to correct an err0r (210) kindly pointed out by Oren Grad, to whom all credit is due
    Last edited by Dan Fromm; 10-Jul-2020 at 06:18.

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    Re: Are there alternatives for Schneider Super Angulon XL 210mm to cover 11x14"?

    Dan, just to pick a nit, the Grandagon is 200mm, not 210 - Rodenstock made a point of having its big wides be just a bit wider than Schneider's (115 vs 120, 155 vs 165, and 200 vs 210).

    Unfortunately, the 200 Grandagon is more or less unobtainium, turns up *very* uncommonly. The 210 SA is much easier to find.

    Both of 'em need a forklift to move, and a very robust front standard with a large opening.

    The old 210 Angulon (non-Super) may be a more practical possibility if you don't mind stopping way down and intend to contact print.

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    Re: Are there alternatives for Schneider Super Angulon XL 210mm to cover 11x14"?

    Dan, just to pick a nit, the Grandagon is 200mm, not 210 - Rodenstock made a point of having its big wides be just a bit wider than Schneider's (115 vs 120, 155 vs 165, and 200 vs 210).

    Unfortunately, the 200 Grandagon is more or less unobtainium, turns up *very* uncommonly. The 210 SA is much easier to find.
    Oren, thanks for the correction. I've edited the original post to remove the error.

    There's unobtanium and then there's unobtanium. I wish the OP luck in finding a 200/14 Perigraphe VIa.

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    Re: Are there alternatives for Schneider Super Angulon XL 210mm to cover 11x14"?

    The 210mm f9 Computar just barely covers 11x14 and could be used as a last resort. Its been a while since I have attempted, but as I recall to get it to cover at infinity you need to remove the hood as well as the spacer ring(s) between the element and shutter. I found it was adequately sharp for a contact print and illuminated to the corners at f32 and beyond.

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    Re: Are there alternatives for Schneider Super Angulon XL 210mm to cover 11x14"?

    ~210mm Super Angulon

    ~210mm Super Symmar XL

    ~200mm Grandagon.

    ~Then it gets exotic

    Others might illuminate 11x14 stopped down, but does not have optical performance designed to cover that film size properly.
    11x14 film would be contacted printed? If yes, that reduces the optical performance demands on the optic-lens.


    Reminder of wide angle lens difficulty as film format size goes up.


    Bernice

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    Re: Are there alternatives for Schneider Super Angulon XL 210mm to cover 11x14"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernice Loui View Post
    Reminder of wide angle lens difficulty as film format size goes up.
    Bernice, they're quite rare, but Berthiot made f/14 Perigraphes in focal lengths up to 800 mm. That's a #14. The 200 I suggested above is a #5.

    I have #s 1, 1bis and 2. They give away little to modern extreme wide angle lenses except maximum aperture.

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    Re: Are there alternatives for Schneider Super Angulon XL 210mm to cover 11x14"?

    Highly recommend an 8 inch Series VII B f/6.5 TAYLOR-HOBSON WIDE ANGLE ANASTIGMAT. Acquired the optic from a FORUM member and had S K Grimes mount it into a COPAL 3. The f/6.5 aperture is for focusing only. Useable apertures start at f/11 and end at f/64, but the aperture does stop down to an unmarked f/90. I contact print my 11x14s, and for me the optic's sweet f/stop is f/64. The optic more than covers an 11x14 negative, and sharpness is uniform right up to the corners of the negative. I've even been able to raise up the front standard a bit.

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    Re: Are there alternatives for Schneider Super Angulon XL 210mm to cover 11x14"?

    Got to wonder how many of these 800mm f/14 Perigraphes were made.

    Once the film size is up to 11x14, they are often contact printed, not projected. This significantly alters the requirements for lenses and what is an acceptable working aperture or f64 being quite reasonable for making contact prints.


    Bernice



    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    Bernice, they're quite rare, but Berthiot made f/14 Perigraphes in focal lengths up to 800 mm. That's a #14. The 200 I suggested above is a #5.

    I have #s 1, 1bis and 2. They give away little to modern extreme wide angle lenses except maximum aperture.

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