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    Re: Which Chamonix 4x5?

    I have never had to use a loupe with a viewer. The viewer has a loupe built in.
    Now, maybe my eyes are better than someone else's, but I do wear glasses and my eyes are 61 years old.
    I have used loupes when a viewfinder was not available, but prefer the convenience of a right angle viewer (RAV) when available .

    Currently I use RAVs with my Linhof MT, Sinar, and a Hasselblad RAV with my ALPA medium format digital & film cameras.
    They feel natural to me whereas a darkcloth does not. If it makes me work faster, I generally use it.

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    Re: Which Chamonix 4x5?

    Obviously opinions and eyes vary. Perfect eyes are great for photography!

    Mine are far from perfect and have changed drastically over the last 5 years, now age 69

    You will need to find what is good for you. Right now an Edmunds 9X loupe with darkcloth works for me.

    I cannot use a folding viewer, it gets in the way.

    I can't use a Sinar Bino RAV as it has the wrong magnification

    I can't use the folding viewer on a SLR Graflex as the distance is off and a loupe can't get in there Yet!

    Factory Fresnels are no good also, for me

    I have struggled with 'seeing' focus ever since I had cataract surgery and replacement lenses put in my eyes, 2 years ago.

    My right eye has severe glaucoma, but it's tunnel vision works best with the above loupe, my shooting eye.

    after taking OFF my glasses

    I now have a shoestring necklace for the the loupe and straps for glasses

    I was born very nearsighted

    You may be in for some experimentation, empirical method

    Good luck!
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    Re: Which Chamonix 4x5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tin Can View Post
    Obviously opinions and eyes vary. Perfect eyes are great for photography!

    Mine are far from perfect and have changed drastically over the last 5 years, now age 69

    You will need to find what is good for you. Right now an Edmunds 9X loupe with darkcloth works for me.

    I cannot use a folding viewer, it gets in the way.

    I can't use a Sinar Bino RAV as it has the wrong magnification

    I can't use the folding viewer on a SLR Graflex as the distance is off and a loupe can't get in there Yet!

    Factory Fresnels are no good also, for me

    I have struggled with 'seeing' focus ever since I had cataract surgery and replacement lenses put in my eyes, 2 years ago.

    My right eye has severe glaucoma, but it's tunnel vision works best with the above loupe, my shooting eye.

    after taking OFF my glasses

    I now have a shoestring necklace for the the loupe and straps for glasses

    I was born very nearsighted

    You may be in for some experimentation, empirical method

    Good luck!
    Randy,

    I went back to college years ago to study visual impairments. I got the degree but only used the knowledge in my photography classroom.
    I understand your vision has changed. You might be able to get your optician to have a magnification adapter made for a viewfinder if you want.
    There are many devices that can be adapted to help with vision changes.

    I had surgeries for glaucoma a few years ago, and my vision has changed, but I can still focus as usual (thank goodness).

    The folder viewers never worked for me either, and a darkcloth is my last resort.

    It is as you say: "You will need to find what is good for you."

    Kind regards,
    Darr

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    Re: Which Chamonix 4x5?

    What do you think of this lens? Look at the pictures. especially #4 - here is the sellers comments. What do you think? What does he mean the paint peeled off?

    Seller's comments: The fourth image has the paint inside the lens peeled off.
    But this is very noticeable because it was shot with a high resolution camera.
    It is hard to see with human eyes.
    This lens is beautiful.






    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mint-Rodens...p2047675.l2557

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    Re: Which Chamonix 4x5?

    It's the main lens in the middle labelled Serial Number 11226287

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    Re: Which Chamonix 4x5?

    Looks like Schneideritis on a Rodenstock ...

    https://www.largeformatphotography.i...-Schneideritis

    I cannot comment if it affects performance or not as I have not had a lens with it.
    But read through the above thread to see what other photographers have to say about it.

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    Re: Which Chamonix 4x5?

    This is one of the most expensive 150mm lenses one can buy — it’s been ballooning over the past few years for some reason. I’m not sure I’d start my adventure into 4x5 spending that much. It is a good lens but there’s many options that would go just fine in the 125-180mm range for like $200-$300 range. I’d invest in more lenses rather than one really expensive one.
    Here’s some suggested reading:

    https://www.angusparkerphoto.com/blo...x5-view-camera

    https://www.michaelstricklandimages....5-large-format

    http://www.largeformatphotography.info/lenses4x5.html

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    Re: Which Chamonix 4x5?

    I agree it's way too expensive.



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    Re: Which Chamonix 4x5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Two23 View Post
    You really need to use a magnifier/loupe to focus sharply. The problem with all the "viewers" I've seen is they make it more difficult to stick my hand in there and hold a loupe. This is especially true for 4x5, which is really a pretty small format. I don't use any viewer at all and prefer to simply throw either a jacket or an x-large black t-shirt over the back of the camera and my head so I have easy access to the ground glass. I've never felt the need for a viewer. I've been using 4x5 and 5x7 for 25 years now. Save your money for something more important--there's plenty of more useful stuff to spend on.

    Kent in SD
    Thanks Darr and Kent. I didn't order the finder. I'll work the traditional way to see if I'm comfortable.

    Is a black t shirt the best way or can someone recommend a light cover that works and folds away?

    What's a good loupe for 4x5? The Chamonix comes with a fresnel lens if that makes a difference. I own a Schneider 3x (6x6) https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...upe-1758433263 wich is 3 power I believe and a Agfa 8x https://www.amazon.com/AGFA-8X-PRINT.../dp/B072M39GXZ

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    Re: Which Chamonix 4x5?

    I use a black t-shirt in summer because it folds up compactly in my bag. In cooler months I just use a jacket. I don't think a 3x is quite enough and use a 4x. Sometimes I use this, and it works well:
    https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Fol...ustrial&sr=1-4 .



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