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Thread: Should I Drum Scan, X1 Flextight Scan, or use the Epson V850 w/Aztek Wet Mount Kit?

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    Re: Should I Drum Scan, X1 Flextight Scan, or use the Epson V850 w/Aztek Wet Mount Ki

    Quote Originally Posted by sanking View Post
    To add to the last sentence, I digitized a 5X7 negative using 16 shot pixel shift, photographing with a 105 mm Micro Nikkor (film era) to compare with a drum scan previously made with a Howtek at 2000 dpi. The pixel shift file looked OK on my large monotor, but close up comparison with the image made with the drum scan showed the pixel shift file to be of lower image quality.

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    Excellent, thanks for the addendum--I suppose the crux is as always defining "good enough," but for my purposes the possibility of even getting close to a drum scan with off-the-shelf, dual use equipment is very attractive. (FWIW, what I was getting at with the 5x7 remark was how its aspect ratio matched-up with a 24x36 sensor--positing a "one-shot" capture, the I'm not sure you'd ever see the difference between 5x7 and 8x10, or perhaps even between 6x9 and 4x5.)

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    Re: Should I Drum Scan, X1 Flextight Scan, or use the Epson V850 w/Aztek Wet Mount Ki

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter De Smidt View Post
    I move the negative, keeping the camera on a very sturdy, stable and well-aligned support structure.
    Thanks! I've been shooting film and printing in various color and B&W darkrooms. As the last color darkroom closed in WA last year, I'm finding that I'm having to print color in LA. Which is leading me to look into digital workflows that I'm not familiar with to print on an inkjet.

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    Re: Should I Drum Scan, X1 Flextight Scan, or use the Epson V850 w/Aztek Wet Mount Ki

    Quote Originally Posted by CreationBear View Post
    Excellent, thanks for the addendum--I suppose the crux is as always defining "good enough," but for my purposes the possibility of even getting close to a drum scan with off-the-shelf, dual use equipment is very attractive. (FWIW, what I was getting at with the 5x7 remark was how its aspect ratio matched-up with a 24x36 sensor--positing a "one-shot" capture, the I'm not sure you'd ever see the difference between 5x7 and 8x10, or perhaps even between 6x9 and 4x5.)
    Yes, in principle I would like to get all of the detail out of a scan, as scanning negatives is very time consuming.

    I have found that with 5X7 I am not able to get quite as much information as I would like with sony a7r iv and pixel shifting, but still enough for printing fairly large prints. And could probably get way more than enough with three stitched pixel shift shots.

    Different matter for 4X5. Attached is a scan of a 4X5 negative I made way back when. Never made a print of it, other than a small carbon, because the Dmax of about log 4.0 was much too high for silver printing, and DR was too high to scan. With the a7r iv I get nearly all of the detail in the negative, with great shadow detail.

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    Re: Should I Drum Scan, X1 Flextight Scan, or use the Epson V850 w/Aztek Wet Mount Ki

    Sandy I like the tones. What kind of film and developing? IS that presentation similar with that film and do you have a link to show others?

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    Re: Should I Drum Scan, X1 Flextight Scan, or use the Epson V850 w/Aztek Wet Mount Ki

    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Klein View Post
    Sandy I like the tones. What kind of film and developing? IS that presentation similar with that film and do you have a link to show others?
    Hi Alan,

    Thank you for your comments about the tones. The tones are really very rich, but not by my design. This negative was made in my first years of using LF in the early 1980s, and I overexposed the film by at least two full stops (based on shadow detail) and overdeveloped a lot, so that highlight densities are well over log 3.0. I exposed the film while doing a workshop in Highlands, NC and developed it at the workshop facilities, in HC-110 as I recall, and I have no information at all about the camera, lens, etc.

    I was already working with carbon transfer at the time so was able to make a small carbon print during the workshop, then put the negative away until now. The film I can identify, it was Kodak TRI-X Pan Professional, 4164, and I wound up using it a lot in my work with 5X7 film, developing in D76 and DK-50 at first, later with PMK and Pyrocat.

    That said, the basic principles do still apply for very rich tones for LF B&W, i.e. overexpose so that you get image texture all the way from deep shadows to highlights, then figure out fully develop the film and then how to compress the tones in your printing process, or in digital work flow. A mistake that a lot of LF film photographers make is underexposure that results in dead black shadows.

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    Re: Should I Drum Scan, X1 Flextight Scan, or use the Epson V850 w/Aztek Wet Mount Ki

    Some recent scans I made of Provia and Ektachrome with my S1R + 70mm ART macro. Note the edit I made to the picture of Moses (our Great Pyrenees). The blue version is what the chrome looks like on a light table, but the color corrected very easily with "auto color" in LR. And note how much I was able to bring back his eye. Close inspection shows basically no noise penalty.


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    Re: Should I Drum Scan, X1 Flextight Scan, or use the Epson V850 w/Aztek Wet Mount Ki

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    Close up crops of the above. These were done with pixel shift on, and no stitching. They would print at roughly 400ppi as a 24x24, so great for 360dpi output to take full advantage of my P6000.

    Again my shooting technique is the only weak spot here. They were shot with my Hy6 Mod 2 using the 50/2.8 Super Angulon, 80/2.8 Xenotar AFD, and 180/2.8 manual PQ lenses. I mostly shot in aperture priority and used AF a lot, close to wide open whenever possible.

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