Why Crop?

[Luis-F-S]

To crop you have to print first. Most are to busy posting on line to print or crop!

[BrianShaw]

Pre-visualize; pre-crop...

[Ted R]

Some things happen pretty quickly and "properly" does not always get top billing when picture making, it is more a case of grab the shot and straighten things out later if need be. Heck sometimes I don't even want "a frame" at all. Crop away :-)

[Vaughn]

...Painters are not restricted (unless they are painting a mural or ceiling) to certain fixed proportions or sizes, either.

Yes and no. I imagine some/many painters use a standard size canvas (or perhaps standard for them) and fill it -- which is not too unlike taking a 8x10 GG and filling it with an image. Just thought of that and rather like it -- it expresses what I do more accurately. Instead of feeling restricted by a format's size and proportions, I totally love filling it with light.

[Pieter]

Yes and no. I imagine some/many painters use a standard size canvas (or perhaps standard for them) and fill it -- which is not too unlike taking a 8x10 GG and filling it with an image. Just thought of that and rather like it -- it expresses what I do more accurately. Instead of feeling restricted by a format's size and proportions, I totally love filling it with light.

Except the painter can arrange the elements within the frame a bit more easily. de Kooning would fiddle with elements sketched on tracing paper, moving them constantly, trying out arrangements--even as he painted--until he was satisfied. And sometimes he'd just destroy the canvas if he wasn't happy.

[Ken Lee]

Short answer: Because I want to.

Longer answer: I don't tend to see many compositions in the 5:4 ratio. I mostly see more rectangular images. Perhaps my favorite ratio is the Golden Ratio 1:1.618. But the thing is, I can't really control it. Nature (my main subject) is what it is. All I can do is try to capture it the way I think it wants to be captured. I've found exactly one composition that wants to be square. I've found a number that want to be 1:sqrt(5). But most are somewhere in between. All my film however, has been 5x4. Which means that mostly I'm trying to push a rectangular peg into a square-ish hole. And the only reasonable answer to that problem is to crop. So I do.

Bravo !

...and ditto

[Bernice Loui]

Moment an image is made using some form of 2D image recorder of any image ratio cropping is involved.


Bernice

[Pfsor]

No deity declared film format ratios. Get over it.

+ 1.

[Alan Klein]

Yes and no. I imagine some/many painters use a standard size canvas (or perhaps standard for them) and fill it -- which is not too unlike taking a 8x10 GG and filling it with an image. Just thought of that and rather like it -- it expresses what I do more accurately. Instead of feeling restricted by a format's size and proportions, I totally love filling it with light.

Here's a picture I took of a guy painting at Monument Valley. You can see how he squished in the monuments in the background which were much further apart in reality. You painters are lucky.

[Doremus Scudder]

From another thread, but relevant here:

I try to determine my compositions precisely before I even set up the camera. I work with the elements, shapes, lines, spaces (negative and positive), tones and perspective in the scene to build an image I think will be expressive. The camera position, print borders, and whether movements will be needed or desired have all been decided when I start to unpack. Often, I'll meter a scene before setting up as well. Call it planning, pre-composition (or previsualization if you prefer) or whatever you like; the ground glass for me is just for checking borders and focusing, the construction of the image is separate. My compositions arise organically from the subject being photographed. This determines the placement of the borders and the aspect ratio as well. If the aspect ratio doesn't match that of the film I'm carrying, I plan to crop.

Also, there are sometimes situations that force me to crop: bad weather, changing light or whatever that spur me to set up quickly, grab a lens that I know will cover the scene I want and shoot quickly. Many of these shots fail, but the ones that don't usually require cropping to get the image that inspired me to try in the first place. So, I crop.

If I have time, however, I work with the technical aspects of the photograph: setting up the tripod in exactly the right spot at exactly the right height (chin on camera plate, one eye closed, then checking later), mounting the camera and choosing the lens, applying movements, filtration, focusing, etc. If the exact image I want doesn't match exactly the angle of view of one of the lenses I have, I'm forced to use the next widest one I have, and I plan to crop.

At this point I make the negative, process and examine it. Often (most often) my diligence in planning the image is adequate and I don't need to re-imagine the final image at all (don't misunderstand: most well-planned images usually don't make it to the printing stage at all for one reason or another; it's just that the image came out as planned, not that it was worth attempting to print). But sometimes, "the best laid plans of mice and men" aren't enough and the image as planned is flawed. The majority of these are simply failures, but occasionally a good print can be made by re-evaluating and re-thinking the composition of the scene included in the negative. This, necessarily, involves cropping, so I crop.

I just love it when everything comes together and I can use 100% of the image on the negative, but that seldom happens.

One of the reasons I work with 4x5 and enlarge is to have the flexibility to crop what is on the negative to match the image I imagined before setting up (or re-imagined after the negative was made). My images are rarely in a 4:5 aspect ratio, even though that is what my film is. I try to use as much film area as I can for my images, but anything outside the planned (or re-imagined) image is just waste; printing it would make the image weaker and less expressive. I don't feel obligated to include it.

Some hold that cropping is indicative of sloppy craftsmanship or bad planning. I beg to differ. For those that wish to work within the constraints of a certain aspect ratio, for whatever reason, cropping is contrary to what they are trying to express. I respect that way of working. I have an opposite approach: cropping is essential to what I am trying to express. I'll leave it to the viewer to decide if I have been successful.

Best,

Doremus