So - I got an old Ilex projection petzval lens from Jim Galli many years ago that had an image circle barely large enough for 4 x 5. When I took the lens apart and used either the front or rear elements individually, the image circles got much larger with each and both work great for 8 x 10. Both give a soft focus look - one is about 9" focal length and the other is about 12".
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