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    Re: HMI or strobe for wetplate/paper negs/low iso

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Salomon View Post
    Mixing daylight and hot lights of different K will lead to all kinds of problems!

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    Re: HMI or strobe for wetplate/paper negs/low iso

    Quote Originally Posted by jnantz View Post
    as far as i am concerned fast shutter speeds are the enemy of portraits ... !
    Curious what you mean by the above quote... Especially considering most portraits use flash these days. Btw, I agree with the statement a bit, but wondering your reasoning.

    What shutter speeds do you usually shoot at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnantz View Post
    i'd ditch the strobes get smith victor lights continuous
    not as hot as hot lights used to be and use them together with
    available light ... you can shoot portraits using time as your friend.
    as far as i am concerned fast shutter speeds are the enemy of portraits ...
    unless you are doing editorial and newspaper work.
    ymmv
    good luck !
    Nonsense!
    If you know what you are doing shutter speeds let you control the ratio between ambient light and whatever light you are throwing onto the scene or subject.
    You need to experience what this control can do!

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    Re: HMI or strobe for wetplate/paper negs/low iso

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Salomon View Post
    Nonsense!
    If you know what you are doing shutter speeds let you control the ratio between ambient light and whatever light you are throwing onto the scene or subject.
    You need to experience what this control can do!
    I think you're talking more about the commercial world where results are all that matters - i think what he's getting at is a more philosophical approach... At least that's what I'm reading.


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    Re: HMI or strobe for wetplate/paper negs/low iso

    The issue is that in order to get enough light under those circumstances, you're sitter will have to be very still, or the lights will be so bright as to be blinding. Strobes would be easier on your subject, especially if you have a lot of ambient light to close down their pupils.
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    Re: HMI or strobe for wetplate/paper negs/low iso

    Quote Originally Posted by cdavis324 View Post
    I think you're talking more about the commercial world where results are all that matters - i think what he's getting at is a more philosophical approach... At least that's what I'm reading.


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    No, higher shutter speeds give you darker backgrounds, slower shutter speeds give you lighter backgrounds then the lit subject. Used this way in portraits, weddings, receptions, still life, etc.

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    Re: HMI or strobe for wetplate/paper negs/low iso

    If you are confident of exposure, there is no brighter source than a flashbulb.

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    That's all they need to wear!

    In all seriousness, I do see what you're saying and there is a reason strobes are so ubiquitous - I'm just wondering if anyone is doing it differently... and if they have any tips.

    In terms of philosophy, I'm trying to get away from stealing photographs(which is all too easy when all you need is an instant) to working with the subject to create something. It would require buy in from the subject, as they need to hold still for the exposure... There's also the motion aspect - I want a little movement(but not too much) if possible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdavis324 View Post
    That's all they need to wear!

    In all seriousness, I do see what you're saying and there is a reason strobes are so ubiquitous - I'm just wondering if anyone is doing it differently... and if they have any tips.

    In terms of philosophy, I'm trying to get away from stealing photographs(which is all too easy when all you need is an instant) to working with the subject to create something. It would require buy in from the subject, as they need to hold still for the exposure... There's also the motion aspect - I want a little movement(but not too much) if possible...
    And the contracted pupils and sweat.

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    Re: HMI or strobe for wetplate/paper negs/low iso

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Salomon View Post
    Nonsense!
    If you know what you are doing shutter speeds let you control the ratio between ambient light and whatever light you are throwing onto the scene or subject.
    You need to experience what this control can do!
    it has nothing to do with control and ratios between ambient light and other light sources and yes
    having done commercial assignment work since the 80s i am well versed in that, but its fake/ an illusion like everything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by cdavis324 View Post
    Curious what you mean by the above quote... Especially considering most portraits use flash these days. Btw, I agree with the statement a bit, but wondering your reasoning.

    What shutter speeds do you usually shoot at?

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    hi cdavis324

    when i make a portrait or use a camera
    that i can control the shutter speed, i do my best to
    make long exposures rather than short ones. IDK... i find
    strobe+flashbulb work, instantaneous images &c to be just a veneer
    not really what i want to photograph.
    i'd rather show things breathing ..
    if you poke around newtonian physics a little bit
    you know that every object is in motion
    i'd rather show things as they are .. alive, in motion, not static
    some love it, but to me static/instantaneous,
    like sharp modern lenses its all too clinical ...
    with regards the the exact shutter speed
    it depends sometimes i count to 4 or 10 slowly and sometimes a little faster.
    ( i've taken 45 second portraits before ) sorry if i skirted your question ...
    my advice with your slow film / paper or whatever you are using
    is still available light wide open or 1-2 stops closed down
    ( or if you have a junque f 5.6 / 6 RR put it on ) and a (softboxed )
    hot light fill if you need it, bulb/time and count to 5-6... bracket a little bit to get used to it...
    then use a slow working developer like caffenolc with a splash of print developer in it
    and see how you like your negatives
    you might like life in the slow lane.. i try to take backroads as much as i can

    good luck !
    john

    ps my post was not to slight anyone who likes instantaneous portraits/photography,
    sharp modern lenses, fresh film and d76 &c &c. i hope people who do that sort of thing
    have a blast, and enjoy themselves to the fullest
    and it helps them get to where they want to be at...
    (YMMV )
    Last edited by jnantz; 8-Jan-2019 at 08:51.
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