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    Re: Your Best Photograph from the Previous Month - Critique and Discussion Encouraged

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Ruttenberg View Post
    Over saturation is always an issue with canyon shots. What we see is by far not as saturated as this image. I have tried processing to exactly how the Canyon looked/looks, but have found for art sake I lean towards more saturation. I may pull this one back a point or two, see how it looks. Interestingly enough, the Canyon loses its dramatic punch when images are done exactly how Canyon looks....
    And for art's sake may be why I have not yet been successful there yet...I try to translate the dramatic punch of the Canyon by showing exactly how the Canyon looks. One of these days -- but it is a little over a thousand miles to the South Rim from my doorstep! It is some serious travel...but 5.5"x14" on the rim sounds like a lot of fun, too!!

    Its been years since I have looked at my Grand Canyon negatives (4x5 B&W and a few later larger negs). Now I am wondering if they are as bad as I remember -- probably...even after 30 or 40 years negatives do not improve with age.
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    Apparently others like to envision it saturated with a warmer color palette and "rivers of gold" as Tin Can mentioned.


    So here's another experiment:


    It can be helpful to put our photos away for several weeks after shooting and only work on them after we've lost all remnants of "previsualization". With all due respect to Ansel, even he changed his interpretations substantially over the years. It's not easy to apprehend our work as others do. Discussions and critiques can be very valuable: they speed up time, we might say.

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    ‘There may have been fogs for centuries in London. I dare say there were. But no one saw them, and so we know nothing about them. They did not exist until art had invented them.’

    Oscar Wilde, ‘The Decay of Lying’

    I think Alan touches on an important point--the palettes we "see" in Nature are as much or more a product of history and culture (or happenstances of technology) as they are measurable wavelengths of light. If you studied on a, say, a Thomas Moran (or in the case of Ken's first edit, a Bierstadt) who knows what part of the spectrum you'd find most suited your purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CreationBear View Post
    If you studied on a, say, a Thomas Moran (or in the case of Ken's first edit, a Bierstadt) who knows what part of the spectrum you'd find most suited your purposes.
    Bingo ! I was certainly reaching for a subtle color palette - as in this 1946 Arizona Highways magazine:



    Living in the Southwest for several years, we observe that the landscape can display many moods... and many more in between

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    I do like to put up my images and then work them again at a later date. In fact, I am reprocessing one now that I did about a year ago. I also, tend to not develop my negatives for several months sometimes after I took the image. Mostly due to work and time, but it does have the same effect. I also take iPhone shots at the time I take the film image. I use it as a guide, especially when recreating a scene as it was, not as I remember. Interestingly though, as I process an image, I also realize just how much is there that I never saw, from fine detail to a cloud or color. The film captures way more than we see, or should I say, than we can recall.

    I certainly like natural images and find that a lot of todays audience seems to desire if not expect and want the over saturated image. As always, there is generally no wrong image if done technically correct. You can of course mess up the composition, etc, but if technically done properly, then it truly becomes art in the end because you are able to start from a good canvas.

    I like to convert my negatives, even positives to be as neutral as possible so as to provide me the widest latitude in processing to a final work. This is why I prefer to not do any conversions with the scanner software. This affords me the ability to convert and process in many different ways if I want. I like last image Ken, it is subtle for sure. I have lived in the Southwest pretty much my entire life and been to the Canyon many times and will continue to go. Every time, it different. Same with the Superstitions and other places in the Southwest.

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    Black and white of cape Royal at sunset, Grand Canyon North. This turned out really grainy as I underexposed it too much due to the sound. Didn't use any techniques to develop differently other than standard processing.


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    And a very charcoal-looking tonal range. Interesting.
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    I really like this one Steve, the tonal separation in the midground is great. Was that lighting, darkroom magic or both?

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    I can see that. Tough shooting into the sun. Why I am experimenting with bleaching technique for developing. I do find it interesting the way it turned out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Beasley View Post
    I really like this one Steve, the tonal separation in the midground is great. Was that lighting, darkroom magic or both?
    It was mostly lighting. Used a red 25A filter. So.e Photoshop dodge and burn and a trip Tru NIK SilverEfx. I need to set up my darkroom once my house is built.

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