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    Film Holder Weight per Sheet Data - DDS, Grafmatic, Kinematic, others

    I bought a Kinematic from the classifieds as I really like my Grafmatics. I noticed it seemed relatively lighter than I expected, which made me think about the weight per film carried - so I decided to weigh the various holders and compare per number of films loaded in each. All weights are in grams and weighed with no films loaded. I also added some data for my QuickLoad / ReadyLoad holders and a comparison if carrying 6 or 10 sheets of film, to make a comparison to one Grafmatic or Kinematic:



    These are just some of the DDS holders I have around here, since I almost exclusively shoot Lisco holders. If anyone has other film holders they would weigh for me, I can add them to the chart.
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    Re: Film Holder Weight per Sheet Data - DDS, Grafmatic, Kinematic, others

    4X5 sheet film Fidelity plastic light trap, wood body with metal septems. Phenolic dark slides with metal handles. 164 grams

    Light trap maybe zinc not plastic. Scratches easily.
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    Re: Film Holder Weight per Sheet Data - DDS, Grafmatic, Kinematic, others

    Thanks Randy - is there a specific "model" that corresponds to that? Is it the precursor to the Fidelity "Elite" holder I have here?
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    Re: Film Holder Weight per Sheet Data - DDS, Grafmatic, Kinematic, others

    Quote Originally Posted by Corran View Post
    Thanks Randy - is there a specific "model" that corresponds to that? Is it the precursor to the Fidelity "Elite" holder I have here?
    No idea, no part # film holder by TIN CAN COLLEGE, on Flickr
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    Re: Film Holder Weight per Sheet Data - DDS, Grafmatic, Kinematic, others

    Thanks for the picture. Doesn't look anything like the Fidelity "Elite" holder here. In fact, my Fidelity "Elite" holder looks identical to the Lisco Regal II holder (while the Lisco Regal holder looks kinda like that pic). Perhaps I should take a group picture. I assume there was some connection between Lisco/Fidelity.
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    Re: Film Holder Weight per Sheet Data - DDS, Grafmatic, Kinematic, others

    Quote Originally Posted by Corran View Post
    Thanks for the picture. Doesn't look anything like the Fidelity "Elite" holder here. In fact, my Fidelity "Elite" holder looks identical to the Lisco Regal II holder (while the Lisco Regal holder looks kinda like that pic). Perhaps I should take a group picture. I assume there was some connection between Lisco/Fidelity.
    I probably have all wood 4X5 DDS sheet film and glass plate holders. somewhere...

    I know I have both in 8X10.

    2-1/4x3-1/4 has some interesting variations that were cheap to acquire. As do 1/4 plate both glass and film.
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    Re: Film Holder Weight per Sheet Data - DDS, Grafmatic, Kinematic, others

    This is quite interesting. Can't get under 50gm per sheet, and 70-90gm seems to cover most of the field.

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    Re: Film Holder Weight per Sheet Data - DDS, Grafmatic, Kinematic, others

    Someone (me) will bring up the super-lightweight Mido holders that were sold in the mid-1990s. The trouble is that they didn't work well for most people (or me) and quickly disappeared from the market. (Although someone will no doubt chime in about great they were.)
    Another long-gone alternative was Kodak Tri-X Pan 320 in 4x5 film pack. Sadly that expensive but ultra-light and ultra-compact option has been gone since 1991 or so. When the last person at Kodak who assembled them retired, EK discontinued what must have been a real money-losing product.
    Oh well! Carrying weight is part of the LF shooter's burden anyway. Corran, thanks for putting up your comparison. Good to know.

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    Re: Film Holder Weight per Sheet Data - DDS, Grafmatic, Kinematic, others

    Current design Toyo DDS - 170 grams


    Just to add something even more obscure

    1 Mido II 4x5 DDS with adapter - 183.5 grams (91.75 grams per sheet)

    5 Mido II 4x5 DDS with adapter - 670.5 grams (67.05 grams per sheet)

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    Re: Film Holder Weight per Sheet Data - DDS, Grafmatic, Kinematic, others

    Thanks for the info about the Toyo holder.

    I was aware of the Mido things that I thought were supposed to emulate the QL / RL system, but I don't quite understand what the Mido DDS is? Did I just misunderstand the Mido system?
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