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    Re: The comeback of film?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    And they are all doing it digitally now and spraying a lot more because they see the results and choices immediately and can spray constantly for essentially zero marginal cost.
    This is a real misconception, digital shooting is not free. Consumer camera's don't have the shutters for pray and spray. Pro camera's do better, but shutters just last for so long, 2 years at most. For paid professionals, that's no problem, they just get their new gear when it's needed. For others it's burning money, just as it was with film.
    I own the gear, but those don't make masterpieces. My everyday experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotopfw View Post
    but shutters just last for so long, 2 years at most.
    Beyond 150,000 shots for consumer/prosumer devices, and beyond 400,000 for pro cameras (D5). At $200 per shutter replacement this is $0.0005 per shot, this is not free, but a single 8x10 velvia drum scan is more expensive than a DSLR shutter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa Ron View Post
    Digital vs. Film photography is not zero sum game. One does not lose and the others win.

    Digital vs film is like car vs horse, speed boat vs canoe, snowmobile vs cross country ski. One is simply a technological advancement over the other. Many people enjoy both but most prefer the easier route.

    There is nothing inherently noble about limiting yourself to a few well thought out photos, when you can take dozens of well thought out photos faster and cheaper. The folks taking photographs think through and frame each shot, otherwise they are just taking snap shots.

    Basically film is for fun.
    This is a very nice comparison! I've owned power boats and canoes, snowmobile and XC skiis. I use the canoe and snowshoes because I can slow down and spend more time enjoying nature than zipping along place to place. Even XC skiis are faster than necessary.
    Photography does align with these choices. Whatever makes people slow down and take it in. Film is part of that for us, though digital is capable.

    I also like the aesthetics produced by the older lenses/cameras, so that means using film. It's quite unlikely anyone would ever build an affordable 6x6cm digital back for my 1940's rolleiflex or a convenient affordable large format back my soft focus interests.

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    Re: The comeback of film?

    As I mention there is something very difficult to explain to some, simply by using a device crafted by folks from previous era.

    A device, once far to expense to own, still fully functional, can be enjoyed because technology has made it obsolete. It still does what it was intended to do but now costs a fraction of its original cost.

    It's use is predicated on enjoyment not efficiency. Enjoyment is hard to explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa Ron View Post
    It still does what it was intended to do but now costs a fraction of its original cost.
    With some exceptions: the used Contax 645 price sky rocketed. And now this is happening with Pentax 67II. Not a surprise, these are agile cameras delivering distinctive and breathtaking results in the hands of some leading Pros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Salomon View Post
    And they used multiple cameras to keep shooting when one camera is out and an assistant reloaded the empty camera!

    Which suburb? We are 30 miles north by Lanier.
    Lawrenceville. We're practically neighbors!
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    Re: The comeback of film?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotopfw View Post
    This is a real misconception, digital shooting is not free. Consumer camera's don't have the shutters for pray and spray. Pro camera's do better, but shutters just last for so long, 2 years at most. For paid professionals, that's no problem, they just get their new gear when it's needed. For others it's burning money, just as it was with film.
    Maybe, but the marginal cost per shot is still so low compared to film, even 35mm, that it's in another universe and pretty much irrelevant.

    Memory cards also have a finite, though very large, number of times they can be written to. But again, compared to film and processing, the cost is much, much lower per shot.
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    Re: The comeback of film?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Lawrenceville. We're practically neighbors!
    Buford, so close!

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    Just my own two cents. I work at a camera store that still has a film processor. We've got a lot of lab staff, and we're almost always taking in about as much film as we can handle. It's mostly 135, sure, but I've seen a growing interest in medium format, and a few LF photographers as well. It's quite popular with teenagers and young adults. Most people drop off their film and receive in return digital scans. Some (few) still take their black and white and make prints at one of a few public, or at least rentable, darkrooms available in my city. That's fine by me. I also scan all of my own film, as I mostly shoot colour, and until recently haven't had a place to print properly.

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