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    7x17 lenses?

    Dan, I'd strongly suggest you work with just the GClaron for awhile. If there was only one lens to work with in the format, your Schneider might be it.

    In ULF work I find having too many lens options very distracting. Confusing, in fact. Lately I carry the 355 CGlaron and the 250WFEktar in 7x17. That's it. I have no need for a lens longer than the 355 or shorter than 250 (though I may play with the Protars some more under special circumstances). But that's just me. YMMWV.

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    7x17 lenses?

    My 7x17 'kit' is lenses that I have that I have used successfully with my 7x17:

    210 f9 Computar - Limited to no movements - focus on outside and stop down to get focus
    240 f9 Computar - More coverage then the 210 - but you still should focus on the outside
    270 f9 Computar - Lots of coverage
    355 G-Claron - Covers my 12x20 'nuf said
    450 Nikkor M - Covers 12x20+
    24" RD Artar - Covers 12x20 +

    I have a 300mm g-Claron - I just haven't tried it. I do have 10.75 and 12" Golden Dagors which cover but seem to be a bit mushy. The 14" Schneider Dagor (made by Dagor) is wonderful but is limited in coverage (on 7x17 soft on the corners).

    Hope this helps!
    Steve

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    7x17 lenses?

    "Sandy, what vintage was the 210 Angulon you tried? Was early uncoated or later coated?"

    It was a later coated version.
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    7x17 lenses?

    Dan
    I have first hand experience that the 360mm (14") Kodak Commercial Ektar covers 7x17 adequately. I use it on my Folmer & Schwing 7x17 and found I can even manage with the lens and it covers the limited movements as well.

    I have a 300mm Konica GRII as well that covers adequately with the limited movements.

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    7x17 lenses?

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    Dan,

    Here's another list of lenses made before 1940. The minimum focal length
    required to cover is given in the last column. You want something longer
    if movements are anticipated. The old lenses are uncoated, so designs with
    only 2 or 3 groups may be desirable to reduce flare, however, many of the
    lenses were available later with coatings. Try your 480 APO Ronar. It will
    cover for close work and might get by at longer distances if stopped down.
    The contact prints aren't demanding as the specs of an APO lens, but don't
    expect a much wider field since the design precludes that trick.

    Good luck!

    Mike

    Manufacturer and Model f/# FL Deg E/G Min. FL
    Range To Cover
    Aldis Ser 3a 7.7 5-11" 100 - 192 mm or 7.6"
    B & L Aero Tessar 6 24" 45 5/3 554 mm or 21.8"
    B & L Ext. Wide, Ser 5 18 3.5-37" 90 4/2 229 mm or 9."
    B & L Med. Wide, Ser 4 12.5 2.5-48" 70 4/2 328 mm or 12.9"
    B & L Protar Ser 7 12.5 7-39" 56 4/1 431 mm or 17."
    B & L Protar Ser 7a 6.3;7.7 4-23" 63 8/2 374 mm or 14.7"
    B & L Tessar 4.5 3.5-19.5" 60 4/3 397 mm or 15.6"
    B & L Tessar 2b 6.3 3.5-23.25" 62 4/3 382 mm or 15."
    Beck Isostigmar 1 4.5 3-20" 60 5/5 397 mm or 15.6"
    Beck Isostigmar 1a 6.5 9-19" 62 5/5 382 mm or 15."
    Beck Isostigmar 4 6.3 3.5-19" 90 5/5 229 mm or 9."
    Boyer Opale 4.5 50-500 mm 56 - 431 mm or 17."
    Busch Lenkar 7.7 330-450 mm 61 - 389 mm or 15.3"
    Busch Lenkar 9 65-300 mm 80 - 273 mm or 10.7"
    Busch Omnar 5.5 90-450 mm 75 4/4 299 mm or 11.8"
    Busch Omnar 7.7 70-550 mm 80 4/4 273 mm or 10.7"
    Busch Stigmar 6.3 - 60 6/4 397 mm or 15.6"
    Dallmeyer Dallmeyer-Bergheim 6.5;15 12-55" 20 2/2 1301 mm or 51.2"
    Dallmeyer Dallon 16 7.7 12-40" 30 4/2 856 mm or 33.7"
    Dallmeyer Patent Portrait 4 10-30" 36 - 706 mm or 27.8"
    Dallmeyer Patent Portrait 6 9-37" 41 - 613 mm or 24.1"
    Dallmeyer Portrait Anast. 4.5 10-18" 56 - 431 mm or 17."
    Dallmeyer Portrait Anast. 6 10-18" 56 - 431 mm or 17."
    Dallmeyer Stigmatic 2 6 4-15" 70 5/3 328 mm or 12.9"
    Dallmeyer Stigmatic 3 7.5 3-16" 75 4/3 299 mm or 11.8"
    Dallmeyer Wide-angle Anast. 11 3-9" 100 - 192 mm or 7.6"
    Goerz Alethar Ser V 11 300-1200 mm 70 8/4 328 mm or 12.9"
    Goerz Artar 9;16 14-70" 45 4/4 554 mm or 21.8"
    Goerz Celor 3.5 - 70 4/4 328 mm or 12.9"
    Goerz Celor Ser 1b 4.5;6.5 60-480 mm 70 4/4 328 mm or 12.9"
    Goerz Dagor Ser 3 6.8 40-900 mm 85 6/2 250 mm or 9.8"
    Goerz Dagor Ser 4 11 300-1200 mm 90 6/2 229 mm or 9."
    Goerz Gotar 6.8;10 8-24" 54 4/4 450 mm or 17.7"
    Goerz Hypergon Ser X 22;33 60-120 mm 140 2/2 83 mm or 3.3"
    Goerz Pantar 6.3 86-276 mm 85 8/2 250 mm or 9.8"
    Gundlach Anast. Ser 4 6.3 5-16" 60 4/4 397 mm or 15.6"
    Gundlach Portrait A 5 9-20" 60 - 397 mm or 15.6"
    Gundlach Portrait B 6 7.5-24" 60 - 397 mm or 15.6"
    Gundlach Radar 4.5 3.5-18" 62 5/3 382 mm or 15."
    Hugo Meyer Aristostigmat 4.5;5.5 1.5-20" 75 4/4 299 mm or 11.8"
    Hugo Meyer Aristostigmat 6.3 1.5-20" 90 4/4 229 mm or 9."
    Hugo Meyer Dbl.Aristostigmat 6.8 40-900 mm 82 8/2 264 mm or 10.4"
    Hugo Meyer Double-Anast. 6.8 1.5-30" 62 6/2 382 mm or 15."
    Hugo Meyer Double-Plasmat 4;5.5 2-19" 57 6/4 422 mm or 16.6"
    Hugo Meyer Euryplan 6 2-24" 85 6/4 250 mm or 9.8"
    Hugo Meyer Makro-Plasmat 2.9 1-12" 75 6/5 299 mm or 11.8"
    Hugo Meyer Process-Plasmat 8 14-34" 48 6/4 515 mm or 20.3"
    Hugo Meyer W.A. Aristostigmat 9 3-11" 100 4/4 192 mm or 7.6"
    Ilex Ilexigmat 6.3 3.5-23.5" 58 - 414 mm or 16.3"
    Ilex Paragon 4.5 3.5-20" 53 - 460 mm or 18.1"
    Kodak Photostat Anast. 10 13-21" 50 4/4 492 mm or 19.4"
    Laake Polycentar 6.8 180-360 mm 70 6/4 328 mm or 12.9"
    Reichert Neukombinar 6.8 60-360 mm 95 - 210 mm or 8.3"
    Rietzscel Linear A 4.5;4.8 60-420 mm 75 8/2 299 mm or 11.8"
    Rietzscel Linear B 5.5;6 60-600 mm 75 8/2 299 mm or 11.8"
    Rietzscel Linear C 6.8;7 60-900 mm 75 8/2 299 mm or 11.8"
    Rietzscel Repro. Objektiv 11 300-1200 mm 45 - 554 mm or 21.8"
    Rodenstock Eurygon 4.5 210-600 mm 48 3/3 515 mm or 20.3"
    Rodenstock Eurynar 6.5 105-480 mm 60 4/4 397 mm or 15.6"
    Rodenstock Imagonal 6;6.8 60-1500 mm 60 4/2 397 mm or 15.6"
    Rodenstock Pantagonal 18 85-750 mm 125 3/2 119 mm or 4.7"
    Rodenstock Perigon 12 90-750 mm 110 4/2 161 mm or 6.3"
    Rodenstock Studio Rapid Lens 3.5 14-48" 30 - 856 mm or 33.7"
    Rodenstock Ysar 4.5 50-480 mm 58 4/3 414 mm or 16.3"
    Ross Apo-Process-Xpres 9;10 13-48" 60 - 397 mm or 15.6"
    Ross Combinable 5.5 4-21" 58 - 414 mm or 16.3"
    Ross Homocentric 5.6 12-24" 56 4/4 431 mm or 17."
    Ross Homocentric 8 7-24" 56 4/4 431 mm or 17."
    Ross Process Xpres 9;16 13-48" 60 - 397 mm or 15.6"
    Ross Teleros 8 40" 30 5/2 856 mm or 33.7"
    Ross Wide-angle 16 3-12" 95 - 210 mm or 8.3"
    Ross Wide-angle-Xpres 4 4-20" 80 6/4 273 mm or 10.7"
    Ross Xpres 4.5 3-21" 53 5/3 460 mm or 18.1"
    Roussel Stylor 6.3 54-500 mm 53 4/3 460 mm or 18.1"
    Schneider Aero Xenar 4.5 10-20" 53 5/3 460 mm or 18.1"
    Schneider Angulon 6.8 3.5-8.25" 105 6/2 176 mm or 6.9"
    Schneider Symmar 6.8 2-14" 80 6/2 273 mm or 10.7"
    Schneider Xenar 4.5 2-19" 57 4/3 422 mm or 16.6"
    Schulze Euryplan 1 4.5 90-320 mm 80 6/4 273 mm or 10.7"
    Schulze Euryplan 2 6 60-600 mm 90 6/4 229 mm or 9."
    Schulze Euryplan 3 7.7 60-600 mm 82 6/4 264 mm or 10.4"
    Simon Octanar 6.3 90-600 mm 85 8/2 250 mm or 9.8"
    Staeble Chloroplast - 46 4/4 540 mm or 21.3"
    Staeble Lineoplast 12.5 - 46 4/2 540 mm or 21.3"
    Staeble Neoplast - 46 540 mm or 21.3"
    Steinheil Orthostigmat B 6.8 50-600 mm 85 6/2 250 mm or 9.8"
    Steinheil Orthostigmat D 10 300-900 mm 80 6/2 273 mm or 10.7"
    Steinheil Orthostigmat E 12 70-250 mm 100 6/2 192 mm or 7.6"
    Steinheil Orthostigmat F 9 360-900 mm 75 6/2 299 mm or 11.8"
    Steinheil Unofokal 1 4.5 100-500 mm 60 4/4 397 mm or 15.6"
    Suter Anast. Ser 1 6.8;7.2 620-900 mm 80 8/2 273 mm or 10.7"
    Suter Anast. Ser 2 6.3 140-520 mm 60 8/2 397 mm or 15.6"
    Taylor, T. & H. Angelic, Ser 7b 6.5 3.25-12" 90 - 229 mm or 9."
    Taylor, T. & H. Apo, Ser 9 10;16 13-48" 62 - 382 mm or 15."
    Taylor, T. & H. Cooke-Anast Ser 14 6.3 13-21" 53 - 460 mm or 18.1"
    Taylor, T. & H. Cooke-lens, Ser 3a 6.5 5-18" 62 3/3 382 mm or 15."
    Taylor, T. & H. Cooke-lens, Ser 4a 5.6 5-18" 60 3/3 397 mm or 15.6"
    Taylor, T. & H. Cooke-lens, Ser 5a 8 5-18" 65 3/3 360 mm or 14.2"
    Taylor, T. & H. Distortionless Tele 5 - 20 4/4 1301 mm or 51.2"
    Taylor, T. & H. Planital-Apo 12.5 16.5-24" 45 - 554 mm or 21.8"
    Taylor, T. & H. Process, Ser 5b 8;16 9-36" 65 - 360 mm or 14.2"
    Voigtlander Apo-Collinear 9;12.5 8-40" 66 6/2 353 mm or 13.9"
    Voigtlander Collinear 2 5.4;6.3 3-20" 62 6/2 382 mm or 15."
    Voigtlander Collinear 3 6.8;7.7 2-23" 66 6/2 353 mm or 13.9"
    Voigtlander Collinear 4 12.5 4-12" 80 6/2 273 mm or 10.7"
    Voigtlander Oxyn 9 14-63" 30 5/3 856 mm or 33.7"
    Watson Holostigmat 11 3-9" 110 6/2 161 mm or 6.3"
    Watson Holostigmat 1 6.1 4-14" 70 6/2 328 mm or 12.9"
    Watson Holostigmat 3 9.5 11-26" 61 6/2 389 mm or 15.3"
    Wollensak Extreme W.A. 12.5 4.5-13" 95 - 210 mm or 8.3"
    Wollensak Velostigmat 1a 6.3 4.5-17.5" 63 - 374 mm or 14.7"
    Wollensak Velostigmat Process 10 10.25-30" 50 - 492 mm or 19.4"
    Wray Apo Lustrar 10 13-25" 45 - 554 mm or 21.8"
    Wray Process-Lustrar 10 13-25" 64 4/4 367 mm or 14.4"
    Wray Process-Lustrar 16 30-36" 64 4/4 367 mm or 14.4"
    Zeiss Apo Planar 7;12.5 16-68" 30 6/4 856 mm or 33.7"
    Zeiss Apo Tessar 9;15 9.5-72" 35 4/3 727 mm or 28.6"
    Zeiss Planar 3.6;6.3 20-470 mm 62 6/4 382 mm or 15."
    Zeiss Protar 12.5 7-27" 45 8/2 554 mm or 21.8"
    Zeiss Protar 2a 8 90-430 mm 75 5/2 299 mm or 11.8"
    Zeiss Protar 3a 9 75-410 mm 97 4/2 203 mm or 8."
    Zeiss Protar 4 12.5 - 100 4/2 192 mm or 7.6"
    Zeiss Protar 5 18 40-970 mm 110 4/2 161 mm or 6.3"
    Zeiss Tessar 4.5 1.5-20" 60 4/3 397 mm or 15.6"
    Zeiss Tessar 5 20-28" 60 4/3 397 mm or 15.6"
    Zeiss Tessar 6.3 3-24" 65 4/3 360 mm or 14.2"
    Zeiss Unar 4.5;6.3 110-460 mm 65 4/4 360 mm or 14.2"
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    7x17 lenses?

    For my two cents (plus a couple of thou., if you can even find one) the last series of 14" Goerz Blue-Dot Trigor lenses out of the Kern factory were the cats pajamas for 11X14, and should do nicely with 7X17.

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    7x17 lenses?

    "For my two cents (plus a couple of thou., if you can even find one) the last series of 14" Goerz Blue-Dot Trigor lenses out of the Kern factory were the cats pajamas for 11X14, and should do nicely with 7X17."

    I have no experience with the 14" Goerz Blue-Dot Trigor. However, the last 14" Dagors made at the Kern factory have less coverage than older Dagors and I don't recommend them for 7X17". For this format the 355 G-Claron provides a lot more coverage.

    No question but that the 14" Kern Dagors are fabulous lenss. Being multi-coated and with only four air to glass surfaces they have superb contrast, but limit format to 8X10, 7X11 or 5X12.
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    7x17 lenses?

    Late to the party and not much to add. I have a 12" coated Dagor that is my standard 717 lens. A 150 SSXL (that I stole from Chris) will just squeak around at f64 if you're inclined to ultrawide. I'd at least try the 165 SA. I'll bet it would be somewhat useable. The one lens you list that may not work, at least if wouldn't on my camera is the 480. I've only got bellows on the F&S for 450mm so I use the Fuji C fairly often. 305 G-Claron is a must. Sharper than the Dagor I'm using. I've also forced the 270 G-Claron into service. It's nice especially if you're in a situation where you need just a bit of bellows away from infinity. I'll have a 305 G-Claron to sell coming up by this weekend. Contact me off line if interested. I have a Kern BD Trigor and it is different than it's cousin Dagor. It covers 7X17 with adequate movements.

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    7x17 lenses?

    Love my blue dot trigor... Covers like a dagor but almost as sharp as an artar. Covers my 8x20

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    7x17 lenses?

    Yesterday I unpacked my "new" Russian 12x16" camera - image diagonal very close to 500mm. I put an iris lensmount on it and started "stuffing" it with whatever I thought might have a chance of covering.

    the 480mm f:9 Apo-Ronar seems to be promising, as does a Steinheil "Patent No.4" Aplanat. I'll try a Suter Aplanat No.6 as soon as I figure out a way of mounting it - I may have to dismantle it, push it through from behind, then reassemble. I'm also expecting a pre-war 210mm Angulon to show up any day soon, and I hope that will work.

    Oh - and I have a 500mm f:6.6 Schneider Göttingen Aerotar to try too - as soon as I get the jammed flange off.

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