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Thread: 4x5: If I don't have a macro type lens, what's the next alternative?

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    Re: 4x5: If I don't have a macro type lens, what's the next alternative?

    Quote Originally Posted by plaubel View Post
    I screwed a Schneider Compnon S enlarging lens into a Copal shutter,
    How did you accomplish this?

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    Re: 4x5: If I don't have a macro type lens, what's the next alternative?

    Quote Originally Posted by xkaes View Post
    How did you accomplish this?
    PMFJI. Joe, some sizes of Comparons, Componons and Componon-Ss have cells that are direct fits in standard shutters.

    On another topic, you've mentioned that enlarging lenses are, in general, symmetric and don't have to be reversed when shooting above 1:1 or making reductions. Even setting aside tessar types, which are highly asymmetric, plasmat types are optimized for printing, generally for printing not all that large. 6x to 12x covers most of them. This requires asymmetry. Lenses that are really symmetrical are optimized for 1:1.

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    Re: 4x5: If I don't have a macro type lens, what's the next alternative?

    Since you've got the gear in 135 format to do macro, you owe it to yourself to at least investigate what is being done the past decade or so with focus stacking. The depth of field possibilities with small format macro lenses shot at f/stop sweet-spots for extreme resolution are pretty astounding. It's relatively simple to combine slices of images like an electron microscope scan in Photoshop nowadays. Compare this to the many challenges of 4x5 shooting macro at effective apertures often to f/90 and f/128 at rather shakey levels of extension. Macro is one of several reasons large format is no longer optimal for many kinds of commercial work. Even those who still love process and revere film for what it does best --as I do-- ought to be aware of the areas where LF has been surpassed

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    Re: 4x5: If I don't have a macro type lens, what's the next alternative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    PMFJI. Joe, some sizes of Comparons, Componons and Componon-Ss have cells that are direct fits in standard shutters.
    Yes, that slipped my mind. The only Componon I have is a 28mm and it is NOT "convertible". I assume this feature only occurred on some of the longer lenses. I know that Computar made some enlarger lenses designed to do the same thing -- perhaps other manufacturers did as well. VERY handy indeed!!!

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    Re: 4x5: If I don't have a macro type lens, what's the next alternative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Salomon View Post
    The mounting thread for a Copal 1 is 39x0.75. Not 40mm.
    Sorry, Bob...
    Not rue.

    Per the Copal #1 shutter data sheet as provided by the manufacturer,
    the front thread is 40mm with a 0.75mm pitch.



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    Re: 4x5: If I don't have a macro type lens, what's the next alternative?

    Quote Originally Posted by ericantonio View Post
    So looks like a smaller'ish lens is better for getting close right?
    Actually, I prefer a bit longer lens for close-ups.

    You can use any lens.
    Macro lenses are optimized for close-up work (reproduction ratios of 10:1 or less, down to 1:1) as compared with regular lenses which are optimized for more distant work (reproduction rations of 20:1 or greater).

    But all lenses will produce images of all subjects at all distances.
    You might get slightly better results with a macro lens, but the difference is slight, not huge.

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    Re: 4x5: If I don't have a macro type lens, what's the next alternative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leigh View Post

    You can use any lens.
    Macro lenses are optimized for close-up work (reproduction ratios of 10:1 or less, down to 1:1) as compared with regular lenses which are optimized for more distant work (reproduction rations of 20:1 or greater).

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    I think this is what I was confused about. I guess in the LF world, any lens would work cause we have bellows. So I'll play around with my new Ysaron 127mm.

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    Re: 4x5: If I don't have a macro type lens, what's the next alternative?

    Hi Eric,

    The critical thing with LF work is your maximum bellows exrension.

    There's a simple rule that holds for all lenses:
    For a 1:1 reproduction ratio, the bellows extension from infinity focus equals the lens focal length.

    So your maximum bellows extension, and whether you can add bellows like on studio cameras, determines your maximum reproduction ratio with any particular lens.

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    Re: 4x5: If I don't have a macro type lens, what's the next alternative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leigh View Post
    Actually, I prefer a bit longer lens for close-ups.
    Much depends on how much bellows you have and how much magnification you want to achieve. With my 180mm Fujinon A and 360mm of extension, all I can get to is 1X. For more magnification, my only option is to go with a shorter lens, so I switch to my 100mm Minolta Bellows lens. But even that only goes so far, at which point I switch to my 50mm Minolta Bellows lens, etc. I can end up with a really short lens pretty quickly.

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    Re: 4x5: If I don't have a macro type lens, what's the next alternative?

    Quote Originally Posted by xkaes View Post
    How did you accomplish this?
    The hardest thing has been to find out how to unscrew the Componon S cellgroups from the barrel.
    After that, I just screwed the lensgroups into the copal as usual.

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