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    Re: Suter serial numbers and dates.

    Came across this while looking into my Suter — if you are still interested, I have an Aplanat B No. 7, serial number 7682. So it looks like circa 1890s, 55cm f8 from what I see here? Thanks…

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    Re: Suter serial numbers and dates.

    Adding to this old but informative thread.
    My engraved lens reads:
    E. Suter Basel
    No. 11,824
    Aplanat B. No. 6
    16x13

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    Re: Suter serial numbers and dates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Tribe View Post
    These are the first and last serial numbers I have at the moment for the usual models.

    I have now (July 2017) included the few Petzvals I have data on. These appear to be a smaller part of Suter's production during the whole period. The first series used expressions like Cabinet as well as size numbers. The early ones seem to be F3.2 and the later are marked usually. Amongst the later, there is a size 5 bis, which is about F.4.5.

    Portrait Petzvals

    Note that increasing size doesn't always mean increasing focal length and that speed differs quite a lot!

    First 904 No size markings.
    1469. Cabinet no. 4 ^
    14840 Rapid Portrait lens no. 4 (WHS)
    15216 Rapid Portrait lens no.4 (Early iris/split barrel)
    23840 no. 5 bis. F.4.5
    24150. no. 5
    last 34474. no. 2 (ebay listing)

    Aplanat F.8

    278
    577
    3683 no engraving other than suter basel serial number

    Aplanat B F.8

    2126 no. 5 "13x11" - for the UK market
    2482
    4468#
    last 13558

    Aplanat A. F.6

    first 7321
    last 39501

    Aplanat C , F 12

    first 1753 no.3
    3781
    5095 no.2
    Last 13743 no. 1 ebay April 2020

    Must have been produced in low numbers only as this was still in the 1902 catalogue.

    Landscape Meniscusearly models with WHS /Later versions with iris F.12

    first 1110 no.4
    1119 no.4 ebay missing rotary stop.
    9079 no.3
    9081 no.3
    10843 no.3. Iris model. EBay source (listed again dec. 2021) Odd F scale
    15454 no.3. Iris model - F.12 ebay source
    last 30367



    Rapid Aplanat F.5

    first 10863
    13485
    last 35072


    Stella F.5 Smaller ones black finish/larger ones brass finish

    Known focal lengths :-

    23 AND 24cm (obviously adjustment made at some date
    29cm
    36cm
    45cm

    first 39090
    46463 360mm bras
    46801 360mm brass finish
    47051 260mm brass
    last 47531

    Anastigmat various series (Reported as "new" in German Photographic Yearbook 1901)

    first 22309
    last 46585

    Double Plasmat

    first 4522x
    last. 4559x

    Serial numbers earlier or later than these would be welcome!



    From August 2017, I will start adding a few serial numbers which are close to the known first and last serial numbers, as well as those that illustrate production throughout.
    It is an old thread but lets add a Petzval: Rapid Portrait lens 400mm f4,7 - serial 34891 (1904?)

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    Re: Suter serial numbers and dates.

    Yes, Andrzej, old thread but interesting.
    With some unanswered questions as shows your addition.

    I suspect that Stella is anastigmat, can’t prove it.
    It would be nice if anybody shares info about various anastigmat series differences.

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    Re: Suter serial numbers and dates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrzej View Post
    It is an old thread but lets add a Petzval: Rapid Portrait lens 400mm f4,7 - serial 34891 (1904?)
    Will add, but suggest this is the normal #5bis with 35cm focal length.

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    Re: Suter serial numbers and dates.

    Quote Originally Posted by torashi View Post
    Hi, Steven. Thanks for the response. Yes, I've read a bit around here on some threads on Suter lenses, and many state the 4+4 configuration. In fact, I stumbled upon a pdf copy of the "Yearbook for Photography and reproduction technology for the year 1901" (german: "Jahrbuch für Photographie und Reproduktionstechnik für das Jahr 1901") where they describe "Suter's new double anastigmat, comprised of two symmetrical halves of four lenses each". That just about clears it up on the design and that half of it is in fact missing. From the drawing, I can say the front element and the mounting flange are no more *poof*.
    So, I know what you mean with the lens at the back. I happen to own a convertible Symmar 5.6/135mm lens, where you remove the front group to get an 1:12/235. Almost double the focal lengt, so this could be around f14.4/660mm with only one lens group. Upon further reading the small article dedicated to this line of lenses on pages 72-73 states that "Each of the lens halves (groups) delivers even at full aperture a sharp and even image at double the focal lenght of the double objective".
    I'm attaching the article, including the drawing and the table describing the whole lens lineup. It even has prices on it! <3 . Steven, I hope this brings you some more relevant information on the lens you own, and to others in the future.
    If anyone is interested in the whole translation, please let me know (I'll just write it in a whole new post). I'm also interested in putting up a wanted thread for the front (or just another rear element) and maybe the mounting flange for this lens. Can anyone point it out for me, please?
    Cheers!
    Here is Suter Anastigmat series I diagram and price list from 1914 Swiss catalogue

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    Re: Suter serial numbers and dates.

    Stella 450mm has 2x 3lenses.

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    Re: Suter serial numbers and dates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Tribe View Post
    Will add, but suggest this is the normal #5bis with 35cm focal length.
    The glass is marked with pencil rp/40c. I think it was made for special order. They took a 5bis barrel (but the wh slot is in slightly different location), added the extension to adopt barrel for 400mm optics.

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    Re: Suter serial numbers and dates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaidotas View Post
    Yes, Andrzej, old thread but interesting.
    With some unanswered questions as shows your addition.

    I suspect that Stella is anastigmat, can’t prove it.
    It would be nice if anybody shares info about various anastigmat series differences.
    Yes. I have two Stellas 450 f5.6. One is brass finish thw other is black. So not only size determines finish. The black is little older but sharper. The brass is little bit softish wide open - I like it more.

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    Re: Suter serial numbers and dates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Tribe View Post
    Will add, but suggest this is the normal #5bis with 35cm focal length.
    I have noticed that my lens has several hundreds younger number than the last one in your notes. 348xxnvs 344xx Just for a note.

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