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    10x8 Newbie - LOTS of info please!

    Need more advice please! I've got my hands on a Schneider 210mm f9 G-Claron and wondered what size Copal shutter it will mount into in order to use it on my recently acquired 10x8. I appreciate movements will be tight? I understand that stopped well down the G-Clarons have a good reputation as LF taking lenses - does this hold true for the 210 too? Any other useful/helpful advice is much appreciated! ALSO, on the subject of 10x8! I would appreciate anyone using this format to ponder a while over my lens choice and give me their impressions/thoughts! I favour wide angles BTW! 1. 110XL (for superwide shots), 2. 210 G-Claron, 3. 240mm 5.6 Symmar S and 4. a 300mm 5.6 Symmar S. Lastly!! What is the maximum coverage/format for each of these? (In reality as opposed to spec sheets) just in case I get tempted by BIGGER than 10x8! Thanks again Paul

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    Hi Paul,

    The 210 G-Claron would not be my first choice for a lens to use for the 8X10 format, unless I was planning on using it for extreme close-ups. I've heard that it can be used, but I still have doubts about the 110Xl's ability to cover the 8X10 format at infinity, without getting some vignetting in the corners. As far as extreme wide angle lenses, I am using the Nikkor 120SW. Not much room for movements, but it's an awesome lens for that purpose. My other 8X10 lenses are the Fujinon 250CM-W, the Fujinon 300C, and the Nikkor 450M.

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    My 210 mm G-Claron is in a Compur 1 shutter. I don't know whether this is significantly different from the Copal 1 shutter. Guess I could try and see later today as I believe my 240 mm G-Claron is in a Copal 1. As for your lens selection, the focal lengths (not brands) are similar to what I have: 159 Wollensak, 210 G-Claron, 240 G-Claron, 300 Fujinon-C, 420 Repro-Claron.

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    Paul,

    I take it you're shooting from the car or in a studio given the heavy glass. If not, consider the G-Clarons in the longer lengths.

    You'll likely need a step up ring and larger filters or slim filters for the 110mm SS XL on 8x10, a standard polarizer vignettes badly.

    You may also want to pick up a 150 SS XL, these can surprisingly be found used for about the same price as the 110mm.

    For a 240, you might check Dagor77 for a Computar/Kowa, said to cover 11x14.

    Steve

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    Thanks for the replies so far! I plan on using the 10x8 from the car! My reason for getting the G-Claron was that I'd heard good things about them and managed to pick one up (without a shutter) for 30 - didn't have time to thoroughly check out the specs of the lens prior to buying it! I appreciate the 110XL is limited by its coverage but wondered about its performance on black and white film, without movements, sort of a superwide 10x8 point-and-shoot!

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    Hello Paul, On 8x10 I use a plain old 210mm Caltar-II S (S-K Symmar-s). Many think of this as a 4x5/5x7 lens, but I use it frequently on 8x10. It doesn't have a lot of coverage, but it works. I also use a 270mm computar, a 300mm Caltar type S (I think this is a Rodenstock) and a 14" Eastman Ektar on both 8x10 and 11x14. All three have plenty of room for movements for both formats. If I had money I would have a bunch of the Computars(f/9 versions only), Dagors, and Ektars. Not that I really need more lenses, but a 240/9.0 Computar would be sweet.
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    Regarding shutters, if your 210mm G-Claron takes a 49mm filter, it is the later type and the cells thread right into a No. 1 shutter by Copal, Compur, Prontor or Seiko. This is true of the other later G-Clarons except for the 150mm which takes a No.0, and the 355, which needs the big (and expensive) No. 3. I'm not sure about the older model G-Clarons.

    The all-black Copals are the newest and most expensive. I like self-cocking, so-called "Press" shutters, on cameras which will never be hand-held. These are less expensive than the cocking types. Regardless of brand, a convenient means of holding the blades open for focusing is an important consideration.

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    Ernest - many thanks, much appreciation to all!

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    Paul,

    I can vouch for the SSXL 110mm in B&W, no vignetting. I find it of limited use only because it is VERY wide.

    I don't feel the need for as many increments as you descibe, settling for 110, 240, 355, and 450. The set will be complete if/when I buy a 600.

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    All spot on. G-Claron 210 fits either Compur 1 or Copal 1. As to your other choices I'd take 240 and 305 G-Claron's in a heartbeat over their bigger f5.6 brethren. Just like them. 8X10 Kit for me is 165, 225, 270, 360, 450. The 270 G-Claron and larger will cover 11X14, most 360's will, and nearly any 450 will cover 11X14 well.
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