anyone print 4x5 negatives with a black border?

[ahotflash]

hi, I want to print the above at sizes larger than contact prints with a black border ("full-frame"). Is it possible to print a 4x5 negative on an old 4x5 Beseler enlarger which I use to print them at maybe 8x10 prints? Or do I have to move up to a 5x7 enlarger? Is it my enlarger lens length on my 4x5 enlarger that is too short? Also, can I modify my 4x5 enlarger to get a black border on prints?
(please help me with this, if it has been discussed include links)
thank you
d david y

[Jim Noel]

The black border is formed on the easel,not in the enlarger. You don't need a 5x7 enlarger.

[ahotflash]

hi mdarnton
I made a glass-negative-carrier similar to yours without anti newton glass. I checked the top of the enlarging head to see if the corners of the 4x5 negative "cleared" the "hole" (sorry if not the right term") where the negative goes and the corners of the negative do "clear" it with no cutting off the them. puzzled? may have to look for an Omega 4x5 enlarger to print full-frame?

[ahotflash]

Is my enlarger lens at 135mm too short to print full frame? Would a 150mm possibly work?

[DG 3313]

I am playing with an 8x10 neg that was overexposed in the camera to wash out the image area but keep the reveal clear without fogging it.

After I processed the neg...I have a black image area that blocks the light falling on the paper except the reveal. I contact print this and then on another enlarger....I expose my print on the same paper. The reveal area is already black so, it won't show anything from the second exposure.

Still playing with it and not quite right yet.

Don

[ahotflash]

hi Jim
what brand enlarger was it? > d david y

[Greg]

I believe a Kostiner 11x14 Reverse Border Printer easel is what you are looking for.
For reference only, there is one currently on EBay at:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kostiner-11x...EAAOSwT~9Whe5U
Never used one but years ago talked to another photographer who loved using this easel.

[Jim Noel]

I believe a Kostiner 11x14 Reverse Border Printer easel is what you are looking for.
For reference only, there is one currently on EBay at:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kostiner-11x...EAAOSwT~9Whe5U
Never used one but years ago talked to another photographer who loved using this easel.

(I agree with Greg. I knw of nothing that wil beat the Kostiner. I love mine.

[mdarnton]

If you're referring to 35mm full frame plus style then you need a neg carrier with a hole larger than the neg, and this implies that it needs to be glass. I rigged one up for myself from two pieces of glass, with a black masking tape hinge at the back, and on the inside of the bottom piece a black masking taped area to contain the negative, then I covered the rest of the glass on the outside with tape to mask off stray light. You will have to figure out where to put the negative to register it properly with the center of the lens, and if you don't use anti-newton ring glass on the top, you may or may not have newton ring problems. . . . I didn't.

On my Omega D2 I arranged it so that when the carrier was pushed all the way to the back the neg was centered, front to back. I don't remember how I'd do that with a Beseler--maybe you will need a strip of something on the bottom to locate the carrier.

Some glass carriers may do the job, also. I don't remember if the Omega glass carrier was oversize or not.

[ahotflash]

hi Jim, when my enlarger is at it's highest height with my longest enlarging lens on my 4x5 enlarger the projected image onto the baseboard is cut-off on the corners, all four. My goal is to get a projected negative image that I can print without the corners cut-off. (printed with a visible border around it)