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    Re: Anybody know what camera this is, and what model Weston meter?

    Because of his apparent young age, and the camera, I suspect the meter is a Weston Master, not a Master II. In an image such as this, the two meters look identical.

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    Were the original Marchioni's made in black with bakelite knobs?

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    Re: Anybody know what camera this is, and what model Weston meter?

    It is Ansel with his 9 x 12 Zeiss Ikon Universal Palmos with lost sportsfinder (its forerunner was the ICA Universal Juwel)
    although the names seem to be used a few years next to each other....

    shutter: Compur by Friedrich Deckel
    lens: 15cm f 4.5 Carl Zeiss Tessar (or 13,5cm f 3.5)
    Ansels camera has the later type bayonet fitting (so different from the one in the second picture)

    Quote Originally Posted by Two23 View Post
    Another thought, looking at the placement of the right angle viewer, is this could be a Zeiss Favorit.
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    The Favorit is indeed a square format camera, but lacks frontswing and triple extension bellows.



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    Re: Anybody know what camera this is, and what model Weston meter?

    Quote Originally Posted by David Lindquist View Post
    And the lens is a 14.5 cm (22 cm + 29 cm) Zeiss Double Protar.
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    One of my favorites, and wouldn't that be a "triple" Protar?

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    Re: Anybody know what camera this is, and what model Weston meter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Galli View Post
    One of my favorites, and wouldn't that be a "triple" Protar?
    not likely to be used on a 9 x 12 cam.....
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    Re: Anybody know what camera this is, and what model Weston meter?

    Thanks, Ron. This is a camera that I never heard of!
    (St. Ansel definitely had GAS.)
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    Re: Anybody know what camera this is, and what model Weston meter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Galli View Post
    One of my favorites, and wouldn't that be a "triple" Protar?
    I wondered about proper terminology when I wrote this and checked my circa 1933 Zeiss catalogue. (This is a reprint of their catalogue published for the U.S., bought it on eBay). They use "Double Protar" for an objective made up of two (f/12.5) Protar lenses whether the two are of the same or different focal lengths.

    I identified this lens as such not because I could really tell by looking at the photograph but because Ansel Adams refers to using a 5 3/4" Protar as well as its 22 and 29 cm components in some of his older books that I have. And to my eye the lens shown looks consistent with the 14.5/22/29 cm Double Protar that I have. (My Zeiss catalogue shows focal lengths both in inches and centimeters with 14.5 cm being the same as 5 3/4 inches).
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    Re: Anybody know what camera this is, and what model Weston meter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron (Netherlands) View Post
    not likely to be used on a 9 x 12 cam.....

    Could you elaborate on this Ron? The books I have indicate he used this lens on 3.25 X 4.25, 4 X 5 and 5 X 7 film. My Zeiss catalogue shows the 14.5 cm Double Protar covers an 8 3/4 inch circle "at small stops" which is cutting it close on 5X7.

    Thank you for reminding me about the bayonet fitting. I have some memory now of hearing about this years ago, probably even pre-internet!
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    Re: Anybody know what camera this is, and what model Weston meter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron (Netherlands) View Post
    not likely to be used on a 9 x 12 cam.....
    I agree only Double Protars, ie one lens that can be split, However not like the Triple convertible lenses that seen to be mostly a US thing and the Cooke XV was aimed at the US market because by then their major market was the US and Hollywood.

    As to why Ansel Adams would be using a camera like this (regardless of disputes as to the exact format) they are just so small compared to most US made cameras of similar/equivalent format, also practical and had the best optics then available.

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    Re: Anybody know what camera this is, and what model Weston meter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Noel View Post
    Because of his apparent young age, and the camera, I suspect the meter is a Weston Master, not a Master II. In an image such as this, the two meters look identical.
    I believe Adams used an original Master earlier, but this one is the 1945 or later Master II. It is more rounded and considerably thinner than the prewar Master.

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