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Thread: Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

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    Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

    I worry about digital extinction by loss of funding and closed websites.

    Over time we, meaning all of us, have lost a lot of data, meaning writings, images, movies, libraries, you name it from failure to plan for extinction of resources.

    This forum contains more info/data than any other source I know about LF photography.

    How do we preserve it?

    Have we forgotten the Alexandria Library fire?

    It seems we are doomed to repeat the past.
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    Re: Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

    There are a number of free website downloaders. Anyone can make their own copy of the entire website. I did that myself before the migration from Greenspun. Of course you'd have to continually update it to make sure it was 100% up to date, but even monthly updates would capture most of it. I think it would also be good to know there is an "official" backup plan.

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    Re: Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

    We back up the data on a regular basis (daily). We plan to run "forever," but if the site were to shut down permanently, I'm sure we would make an effort to archive the data in some manner, somewhere.

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    Re: Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

    Good to know Ralph, I am sure the website is backed up.

    I will look into downloading a personal copy.

    Old men like me, worry about the future and unknown unknowns.

    I see gaps in Internet History and Internet Archive does not capture everything.

    Keep On, Keepin' On.
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    Re: Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Moe View Post
    Good to know Ralph, I am sure the website is backed up.

    I will look into downloading a personal copy.

    Old men like me, worry about the future and unknown unknowns.

    I see gaps in Internet History and Internet Archive does not capture everything.

    Keep On, Keepin' On.
    I don't recommend trying to download your own copy of the forum. Doing so would put a significant burden on the server and uses a lot of bandwidth, both of which are donated resources.

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    Re: Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Barker View Post
    I don't recommend trying to download your own copy of the forum. Doing so would put a significant burden on the server and uses a lot of bandwidth, both of which are donated resources.
    OK, I will not. I doubt I would do it correctly anyway.
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    Re: Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

    www.archive.org is already keeping and even updating from time to time a copy of http://www.largeformatphotography.info/ I just looked at it and everything seems to be there, including the forum. Last copy was made July 2, 2015.

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    Re: Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    www.archive.org is already keeping and even updating from time to time a copy of http://www.largeformatphotography.info/ I just looked at it and everything seems to be there, including the forum. Last copy was made July 2, 2015.
    Good to know.

    Thanks Dan.

    Was this ever discussed before on this forum?
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    Re: Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

    Another aspect of digital extinction is that so many of the images here are hosted on outside sites. If Flickr, Photobucket, or other such sites go away, the images go with them. It would be such a shame if fifty years from now, as people huddle in their underground bunkers to avoid the zombies battling the terminator robots, they don't have access to wet plates of pixies...
    "I love my Verito lens, but I always have to sharpen everything in Photoshop..."

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    Re: Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Sawyer View Post
    Another aspect of digital extinction is that so many of the images here are hosted on outside sites. If Flickr, Photobucket, or other such sites go away, the images go with them. It would be such a shame if fifty years from now, as people huddle in their underground bunkers to avoid the zombies battling the terminator robots, they don't have access to wet plates of pixies...
    Fairly often I ask people, not bots, to post in the 750 pixel size allowed here, to preserve our record. It would be nice if posters who want to show a larger image, do both methods.

    A forum fitting image and an external link.

    Very disappointing to search the forum, as we are constantly asked to do, and find the images lost forever.
    Tin Can

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