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    Suitable inkjet papers for book maquette?

    I'm looking for double-sided papers in the matte-luster range. Will probably be bound in signatures, so short grain, lighter weight papers are preferable.

    I just tried Hahnemuhle Book & Album and it's pretty nice for both B&W photos and text, if somewhat fragile. I'm thinking of trying the Red River Premium Matte or Moab Lasal next- does anyone have any experience with those or the Inkpress matte and luster papers? Recommendations for a neutral varnish/fixative would also be appreciated.

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    Re: Suitable inkjet papers for book maquette?

    I think Moab Entrada Rag Natural double-sided (190 gsm) is a wonderful paper.

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    Re: Suitable inkjet papers for book maquette?

    That is a really nice paper- similar to the Hahnemuhle B&A but it doesn't fold quite as well. It also feels quite a bit rougher to the touch, even though the textures look similar.

    I could have been clearer in the original post- I've tried most exhibit grade papers over the years, but not many of the book and brochure grade papers. Since there aren't that many available I'll likely just order samples of all I can find. But if anyone has had success with a particular paper (or a combo of paper and fixative) suitable for a book mock-up or very small editions, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

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    Re: Suitable inkjet papers for book maquette?

    Here are some DUO options from the Encyclopedia of Photographic and Fine Art Ink Jet Printing Media

    Volume 5 - Chapter 3

    DUO RC Luster

    Ilford Galerie Smooth Luster Duo 280 gsm

    Inkpress Lustre Duo 9.5 mil 280 gsm

    Mitsubishi Imaging Pictorico Duo Luster

    Red River Paper Arctic Polar Luster Duo 50 lb



    Volume 5 - Chapter 4

    DUO RC Matte

    Brilliant Supreme Matte Duo 230 gsm Germany

    Epson Premium Presentation Paper Duo Matte **** 48 lb Japan

    Inkpress Duo Matte 30 - 5 mil

    Inkpress Duo Matte 44 - 9 mil

    Inkpress Duo Matte 80 - 12 mil

    Moab Lasal Photo Matte Duo 230 gsm

    Red River Paper Premium Matte Duo 32 lb

    Red River Paper Premium Matte Duo 50 lb

    Red River Paper Polar Matte Duo 60 lb

    Staples Matte Duo 8 mil Germany

    Staples Photo Supreme Duo Matte 11 mil Germany



    Volume 5 - Chapter 5

    DUO Fine Art Matte

    Arista II Fine Art Matte Bright White Duo 210 gsm

    Arista II Fine Art Matte Natural White Duo 210 gsm

    Canson Rag Photographique Duo 220 gsm

    Hahnemühle Fine Art Photo Rag Book & Album 220 gsm

    Hahnemühle Photo Rag Duo Matte 276 gsm

    Innova Smooth Cotton High White Duo 215 gsm

    Premier Art Fine Art Smooth Matte Duo 325 gsm

    Promaster Natural Watercolor Duo 190 gsm



    Volume 5 - Chapter 6

    DUO Fiber Matte

    Arista II Fiber Duo Matte 215 gsm

    Arista II Fiber Duo Bright White Heavy Weight Matte 330 gsm

    Arista II Fiber Duo Natural White Heavy Weight Matte 330 gsm

    Hahnemühle Photo Matte Fibre Duo 210 gsm

    Harman by Hahnemühle Matte Fibre Duo 210 gsm

    There are also a number of RC Gloss / SG DUO papers out there. Matte will always need an archival plastic interleaf. Gloss / SG / Luster holds up pretty good with no interleaf. You can get by with no interleaf on Mate if you don't care about some shinning and scuffing on the blacks

    I've used pretty much all DUO paper out there - some are better than others. A big problem for book printers is getting flat paper. I mean perfectly flat. If you use even slightly curled paper the books become warped.

    For my maquettes I just glue 2 reg inkjet pages back to back. A galley proof get some curled DUO. I reserve the first grade DUO or almost perfect paper for the regular edition. This may not be a big deal to someone printing 1 book. But if you print editions of 30 or 40 books it is nice to have them all match.

    Here are some Gloss / SG options if you go that route.


    Volume 5 - Chapter 1

    DUO RC Gloss

    Promaster Photo Image Album Duo Glossy

    Red River Paper Pecos River Gloss Duo 86 lb.

    Staples Gloss Duo 8 mil Germany



    Volume 5 - Chapter 2

    DUO RC Semi-Gloss

    Inkpress Duo Semi-Gloss 180 gsm

    Inkpress Duo Semi-Gloss 210 gsm

    Moab Lasal Semi-Gloss Duo 330 gsm

    Premier Photo Semi-Gloss Duo 12 mil

    Red River Paper Zeppelin Semi-Gloss Duo 45 lb

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    Re: Suitable inkjet papers for book maquette?

    That's quite a shopping list. Do you have any favorites for B&W? Have you ever tried a fixative or varnish instead of interleaving to protect matte papers? What methods of binding have you used?

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    Re: Suitable inkjet papers for book maquette?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iluvmyviewcam View Post
    Here are some DUO options from the Encyclopedia of Photographic and Fine Art Ink Jet Printing Media
    Ah my mistake- not so much a list of recommended papers but a TOC teaser copied from a self-published book by Daniel J Teoli. I gather all 12 volumes, along with the relevant information, are available for $12,500.

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    Re: Suitable inkjet papers for book maquette?

    I'm a big fan of the moab entrada, it's a lovely surface and one of the few companies that will specify grain direction for their cut sheets.

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    Re: Suitable inkjet papers for book maquette?

    What form will the book take once/ if it goes to print?

    You're better off making a maquette using whatever you have to hand to get an idea if the sequencing & image sizes work rather than wasting time & money on making the book using a double sided inkjet paper.

    Some bookbinders can run off & hard-bind a book using a decent quality coated paper on a laser press for not too much money. Binders catering to the thesis market are a good place to start.

    That said, the double sided Hahnemuhle & Harman papers are very nice for making small limited editions (with some issues), take letterpress well & are easy to bind as long as you stick to 2 sheet signatures. I'd quite like a 150gsm mouldmade version, but I don't have the money to get 1/2 tonne made & coated...

    Cheers,

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    Re: Suitable inkjet papers for book maquette?

    in terms of varnish/fixative:

    this stuff is great, I've used it, but it takes a lot and is costly.
    http://www.atlex.com/premierart-prin...ray-1-can.html

    I suspect the best/most economical long term solution would be to use an hvlp spray gun with an air compressor and use a product like this:
    http://www.breathingcolor.com/action/bc_shop/160/

    but, while the print shield stuff doesn't change the character of the paper, the breathing color stuff does, which could be cool, if say you want to print on a matte paper with some tooth but have a glossy print. or if you want to be exacting you could mask the images and create a spot varnish. Lots of possibilities.

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    Re: Suitable inkjet papers for book maquette?

    Thanks for the suggestions Andy.

    If you like Moab Entrada you should try the Hahnemuhle Book & Album- great detailed blacks that don't soot up, wonderful surface, but it feels a lot smoother to the touch, which is nice for for flipping through pages.

    I do have a HVLP rig and was considering this approach but doubt I'd use enough to justify all the setup and space considerations, unless I really flip over the results and decide to do an actual edition. Right now just experimenting.

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