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    Re: is there a way to get grain in 4x5?

    My avatar is a crop from an 8x10 negative, and the crop is about 1/2 the size of a Minox frame. If you want film grain, then you have to make a significant enlargement to see it. You can use Ilford Delta 3200 in a 6x12 roll film back. The grain is awesome! You can push a grainy film in a "grainy" developer. Perhaps Tri-X or HP-5 in Rodinal would be a solution, here. You could also try Arista Lith film, too.

    LF doesn't lend itself to grainy photographs very well.
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    Re: is there a way to get grain in 4x5?

    i am able to get grainy 4x5 sheet film ( tmx, tmy )
    what i do is over expose a bit, and over develop a bit and i use caffenol c (and 15cc of stock ansco 130 / L of developer )
    i get a nice stain and a nice grain. there are other ways too, but they involve more than 1 negative &c and no cropping needed..

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    Re: is there a way to get grain in 4x5?

    Develop in Pyro.
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    Re: is there a way to get grain in 4x5?

    I think Ilford HP5+ in Rodinal diluted 1:100 is your best bet.

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    Re: is there a way to get grain in 4x5?

    Are you familiar with reticulation?
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    Re: is there a way to get grain in 4x5?

    Shoot 120 Tri-X film in a 4x5 roll film back. Crop and enlarge to taste...

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    Re: is there a way to get grain in 4x5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Sawyer View Post
    Are you familiar with reticulation?
    That is a different look. Easy to achieve. Wash the film in water about $125F and you have it. Makes the image look like dried out cracked paint. Can be a good effect but it's not "grainy"

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    Re: is there a way to get grain in 4x5?

    Gadget Gainer's original phenidone/vitamin C - sodium carbonate developer produces the grainiest negatives I've seen with a given film.

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    Re: is there a way to get grain in 4x5?

    Here's something to consider:

    Using fill-in-the-blank developer and either HP-5, Tri-X, or other "grainy" "fast" film, can you get grain larger than Ilford Delta 3200?

    If you can't get larger grain than Delta 3200, then simply run a test with Delta 3200. You can just tape a 5 inch slice from a roll to the inside of the holder, expose it, and then develop it. If you didn't get enough grain with Delta 3200, then you won't do it with anything else, either.

    I've seen Delta 3200 in 6x9 format, enlarged to 30x40". (cropped somewhat) I thought that it looked good, but a 12cm-wide segment's grain really depends on the final print size.
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    Re: is there a way to get grain in 4x5?

    Tri-X or HP5+ and Ilfsol 3 with VIGOROUS agitation, "shake it like a Polaroid picture" actually like a spray paint can...

    That will do it...

    No need to shoot higher EI's or any of that it will change the contrast which isn't the goal.

    That's my suggestion.

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