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    Wanting Vintage Look

    I posted a photo in "Image Sharing," but am looking for some broader technical information.
    http://www.largeformatphotography.in...-Corporal-Brad

    I think I kind of like using my old Petzvals on my 4x5, and want to do some more of it this summer. I've been using Efke 25 with ~6 stops of ND to get exposure times of half to one second, and this did work. Now I'm wondering about using something like Ilford Ortho (ISO 80?), Rollei Ortho 25, and Adox Ortho 25. I'm after a very vintage (1860s) look here, at least as close as I can get. I had some additional thoughts:

    1. To get a little bit of the halonation "glow," what if I slipped a thin piece of silver mylar into my film holders, behind the film? Or painted in inside with white Tempra paint? Has anyone ever tried anything like this?

    2. To replicate the blue sensitivity of wet plate, what if I used a very strong (80D?) filter along with the ND?

    Anyone have any ideas here?

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    Re: Wanting Vintage Look

    I don't know, but as I recall in early photos they did their best to get sharp images, and the ones you posted looked wide open.

    Might be good to work on the print as well (i.e. sepia, and an oval vignette).

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    Re: Wanting Vintage Look

    The lens is f2.8, and I'm finding DoF is very shallow. I also think I need to center the faces better and then crop. The lens itself is from 1845, and it's obviously not as sharp as my Heliar.

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    Re: Wanting Vintage Look

    Maybe you can stop down some. F2.8 sounds really fast for 1845. I thought the petzvals were the first fast lens at around f6, but could be wrong.

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    Re: Wanting Vintage Look

    The lens truly is f2.8. That's how it measures out, and how it performs exposure wise. I too was a bit surprised. It's a smaller lens, a bit less than 6 inch. Those are easier to make fast. Most of my others are around f4.

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    Re: Wanting Vintage Look

    Maybe ortho film would look more "Civil War Era-ish?" Freestyle cataloged a replacement for the old APHS that's supposed to give a continuous tone using diluted paper. developer.
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    Re: Wanting Vintage Look

    1. Try paper negs,graded; or 2, coat a glass plate with a liquid emulsion, i.e., blue sensitive. In both cases your EI will be very slow, 3-6 ISO.

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    Re: Wanting Vintage Look

    Blue sensitive X-ray film would give similar results to graded paper and 19th century wet plates, and would be much faster. As a bonus, most general purpose X-ray films are coated on both sides, so no anti halation layer.

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    Re: Wanting Vintage Look

    Achieving a "convincing vintage look" to a photograph can be quite a chore. It really helps to sit down an analyze all of the characteristics of a vintage photograph and determine "what" makes it look vintage.

    Here's some of the "variables" on my list that would be considered . . . .

    The sitter's attire
    The sitter's pose
    The sitter's movement during the exposure
    The objects in the background
    The direct lighting used
    The diffused and indirect lighting used
    The type and character of lens used
    The character of out-of-focus objects
    The distance between the camera and the sitter
    The size of stop used
    The character of the stop used
    The length of the exposure
    The type of shutter used
    The type of emulsion used for the negative
    The negative development process used
    The type of emulsion used for the printing paper
    The print development process used
    The type of print toning used
    The print surface
    The paper texture
    The paper color, before and after processing
    The color of the developed image within in print
    The cropping used for the print
    The size of the physical print
    The shape of the print, oval, rectangular, square, etc
    The type of borders for the image area
    The method of mounting used for the print
    . . . and I'm sure I've missed many.

    But, once you have determined which "variables" attribute to the desired effect, and eliminate those that have little to no influence . . . You've got the formula. Then comes the fun part. What does the printer have to do to achieve the required characteristics?

    I avoided this thread for go reason. But, I feel better now.
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    Re: Wanting Vintage Look

    Dannl--

    I have been thinking about those factors as I study period images. There was a definite "protocol" behind the poses.

    Where can I buy blue sensitive x-ray film in 4x5? I've also been considering buying a few 4x5 plate holders and trying the Liquid Light products. OR, just using the Watson & Son half plate camera with the book-style holders I already have.


    Kent in SD

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