Fake 1850s Voigtlander lens

[eddie]

it still has Wien printed on it.....too bad it did not only have wein on it!

eddie

Eddie - "Wein" was always listed on their lenses - it was Braunschweig that was added about serial # 3800

Dan

yup. you missed the above "only" i wish the lens ONLY had Wein printed on it, meaning NOT Braunschweig......ie....no other city names......

[CCHarrison]

I did miss that - my bad !

Any more videos in the making, eddie?

[eddie]

I did miss that - my bad !

Any more videos in the making, eddie?

i have a pretty informative video about the disassembly of a universal heliar.....i made it 12-18 months ago....i should get off my ass edit it and post it eh?

[goamules]

Here's another early Voigtlander that the engraving looks pretty unusual and primitive. What's your take on this one dan? Serial number 2804, note for future reference the seller says it's missing one of it's rear lenses. Ebay 121274424941.

[CCHarrison]

Hi GA

I saw that one as well. Clearly the engraving is vastly different and of lower quality than your typical Voigtlander, but the barrel and construction does seem to be a fairly close match to Voigtlander.

Dan

[Steven Tribe]

I think the engraving is very close to Voigtlânder (engravers from a specific area all had the same apprenticeship!), :-

- the & is very different from the usual.
- The swirl doesn't continue from the W in Wien. It changed to a shorter stroke when Und Braunschweig was added.
- Centralisation of the three text lines doesn't exist. Some of the very early are a bit off - but nowhere by as much as this one.

[CCHarrison]

Steven,

I am confused by your statement. You say it is close to Voitlander and then explain how it isnt....

In addition to the differences you wrote, there are many more differences..... the font and font size is all wrong on the serial number..the hash marks under the "o" in "No" for the serial number are going the wrong way.....the #2 in the serial number is vastly different...check out the "r" in Voigtlander.......etc.......but more importantly, the script shows a very unsteady hand compared to Voigtlander, Dietzler and other makers of that region and time period. Look at the "V" and "g" and "l" compare..... the "L" is especially different...

Take a peek at the attached to see even more differences..

Dan

[goamules]

Thanks for the graphics! Couldn't help myself, there are more than this:

[CCHarrison]

GA - one can really tell the difference in the engraving quality by the side-by-side image above.

Another early Voigt is at ebay # 2761, but the price is insane. Seller (camera shop) is asking $ 12.5K. Heck, I will sell them my Voigt # 611 for half that !

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-EARLY-B...item2c7c4ac9f1

Dan

[goamules]

Yeah, I kept trying to toggle between the 3 and finally had to get them all on one page.

Ha! Yeah, me too with some of my early ones! My earliest is a 5,xxx if I recall, in Voigts. Have a few 3 digits from other makes though.