cheap 18x24 wide lens

[xya]

I have posted this on Apug, but there were no answers. so I try again in this forum:

after years of mf and 4x5 with an old linhof technikardan I did the first jump: I bought an old russian 18x24 wooden camera and an industar 300mm lens (no shutter). I want to use it with harman direct paper for outdoor stills on wasteland and decaying buildings. I did this in 4x5 but the images were too small. I don't have a real budget, it's just testing if it works and get some better material later.

but I would love to have a wide angle lens. a shutter wouldn't be necessary but would be a nice option for later use with film. it should cover 300mm at least, a bit more for some movements would be nice. it could be an old lens and I'm able to do some diy. what are your ideas for a cheap lens? thanks in advance for your input.

[mgeiss]

A 120mm/14 Perigraphe might be an option. No shutter but very small, light and rather cheap. They regularily go for less than 100 Euros here in Germany. I paid 120 for mine, but it came mounted on a sinar lensboard.

[Steven Tribe]

There are a lot of anon. wide angled RR/Aplanat lenses around from the 1890-1910 period. The trademark lenses like Lynkieoskop and Perigraphe can be a bit pricey. Perhaps a better idea would be the standard Goerz series III (also known as Dagor) which has very good coverage when used with small apertures. Wide-angled Protars are IMO not better performers. Not so expensive as they used to be for non-ULF sizes.

[Michael Graves]

Wollensak makes a 6.5" in both an F9 and an F11(?) model. It covers 8x10 with a hair of room to spare, and 18x24 is not that much different.

[Ole Tjugen]

A 210mm Angulon has plenty of coverage, a 165mm just adequate, and a 120mm will cover at VERY small stops. With a Russian 18x24cm plate camera they are all useable. I have used a 121mm Super Angulon on 8x10", and it just covered - but for contact prints I would (at least sometimes) prefer an old uncoated 120mm plain Angulon.

[Armin Seeholzer]

210mm Konica GR II not shutter but sharp and good coverage!

Cheers Armin

[xya]

thank you for your answers. I bought a Wollensak EXWA 6 1/2 f/12,5 without shutter for a mere 75$ on etsy. a perigraphe sounds interesting, but seems to have gone up in prices. same thing for the angulons except the 120. as schneider gives a mere 211mm as image circle for the 120, I didn't go for it.

I have made a little list of the information I found on these lenses. if you find more to add, please feel free to copy the list and add your information.

Model | Focal Length | Max Aperture | Image Circle | Front Filter Thread | Specs
Perigraphe | 120 | f/14 | ~300
Nikkor SW | 120 | f/8 | 312 (f/22) | 77
Nikkor SW | 150 | f/8 | 400 (f/22) | 95
Super-Symmar XL | 150 | f/5.6 | 386 (f/22) | 95
Konica GRII (Hexanon) | 150 | f/9 | >>300
Grandagon N | 155 | f/6.8 | 382 (f/22) | 105
Wollensak EXWA/III(a) Raptar 159 | (6 1/4") | f/12.5 f/9.5 | >300 ~300
WS Velostigmat Ser. III WA 159 | (6 1/4") | f/9.5 f/12.5 | >300 396
Angulon | 165 | f/6,8 | ~300
Super Angulon | 165 | f/8 | 395 (f/22) | 105
Goerz Ser III (Dagor) | 165 (6 1/2") | f/6.8 | ???
Goerz Ser III (Dagor) | 180 (7") | f/6.8 | ~300 (f/45)
Fujinon | 180 | f/5.6 | 305 (f/22) | 58 | 80°
WF Ektar | 190 | f/6.3 | 317 (f/16)
Grandagon N | 200 | f/6.8 | 495 (f/22) | 135
Goerz Ser III (Dagor) | 210 (8 1/4") | f/6.8 | 395 (f/32)
WF Raptar (Graphic) | 210 (8 1/4") | f/6.8 | >300
Super Symmar XL | 210 | f/5.6 | 500 (f/22) | 135
Super Angulon | 210 | f/8 | 500 (f/22) | 127
Super Symmar HM | 210 | f/5.6 | 356 (f/22) | 100
Fujinon CM-W | 210 | f/5.6 | 309 (f/22) | 67
Fujinon W | 210 | f/6.7 | 352 | 80°
APO-Sironar W | 210 | f/5.6 | 352 (f/22) | 100
APO-Sironar S | 210 | f/5.6 | 316 (f/22) | 72
APO-Symmar | 210 | f/5.6 | 305 (f/22) | 72
Fujinon A | 240 | f/9 | 336 (f/22) | 52
APO-Symmar | 240 | f/5.6 | 352 (f/22) | 77
APO-Sironar N | 240 | f/5.6 | 350 (f/22) | 77
Nikkor W | 240 | f/5.6 | 336 (f/22) | 82
APO-Sironar S | 240 | f/5.6 | 372 (f/22) | 86