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  1. Re: Forum moderation; I am disturbed by the recent events...

    It's already been clearly stated that this is a gear forum, not a photographic practice forum - so yes, any work that might prompt discussion should be posted elsewhere. That's why I won't be...
  2. Re: Forum moderation; I am disturbed by the recent events...

    I understand perfectly that the moderators believe the life stories of transgender people are too controversial to be posted in this forum. Disgusting.
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    The First Amendment protects your right to say such a thing, as well as my right to criticize your shortsightedness both in saying it and in refusing to acknowledge any possible interpetation other...
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    Wow. So much for reasonable compromise.
  5. Re: Forum moderation; I am disturbed by the recent events...

    This is what happened. The issue (for me) is the moderators' insistence that the photographs are only acceptable if not accompanied by the life stories of the subjects.
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    Because people's life stories, nay, their very existence, aren't a divisive topic in much of the Western world. The US is an exception. Indeed, the thread managed to survive for an entire three...
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    Another case of the unintended effects of a moderator action differing from the intent.
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    I agree, but I don't think any of the people complaining about the handling of this situation, myself included, are part of any crowd of usual complainers, so I'm not optimistic.
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    I think you answered your own question:
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    Re: Feedback on moderation

    Well stated.

    I've now talked to a dozen people whose justification for no longer participating in or contributing to this forum is the moderators' position on richardman's photographs. Maybe the...
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    I don't know what your personal views are (and it doesn't really matter), but but it is self-evident that the moderators' official collective position is that the life stories of transgender people...
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    Re: Feedback on moderation

    Except that the usual practice has actually been to delete posts (and possibly to post that people should knock it off), not to close threads entirely. In the context of the moderators' other...
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    And I find it grossly indecent to compare the idea of posting the life stories of transgender people to the idea of giving white supremacists and terrorists a platform. It's too bad that you won't...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    Right, I never said it was about your intent in taking the action, but about the actual effect of doing so.

    Isaac "You're Missing the Point" Sachs
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    Again, your intent isn't the issue.
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    Great, I'm glad we agree that the personal stories of an oppressed minority should not be suppressed because some take issue with their morals.
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    No, no, you have it wrong. The photos are allowed, but quotes from the subjects are not. That makes it totally okay. :rolleyes:
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    1. Excuse me, but this post strikes me as even more ridiculous. When were the morals of transgender people at issue? I've said it before and I'll say it again: actions can have consequences that are...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    Like it or not, by closing the thread and by equating transgender people with Nazis, white supremacists, and terrorists, you (collective, as in the moderators) have come down firmly on one side.

    ...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    It seems that we were right about at least some of the people coming down on the side of the thread being closed. Take a good, hard look at yourself, moderators, and ask if you want to be seen as...
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    Re: post your urban landscapes

    Thanks! It's definitely unusual - normally it seems like they remove the signs rather than painting them over ineffectually.

    Unfortunately, as much as I've been enjoying this thread, I don't...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    Oren, you still misunderstand me. I don't accuse you of bigotry; however, your actions have abetted the bigots. Perhaps you might have considered that in your delete-vs-close judgement call. If...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    I don't post on those forums either.
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    It's telling which stories are and are not allowed to be told.



    I didn't say there aren't flame wars on those other forums - they're just handled differently.
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    Who needs a forum where rules are applied arbitrarily?

    This has been the only forum I've posted on that forbade political discussion, by the way - it's a slippery slope. The other forums I post...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    I ask yet again, since the question still hasn't been answered: why did the fact that the discussion went down a certain path result in the closing of the thread, rather than in the deletion of...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    My apologies for lumping you in with the current moderators! I'm just still surprised that post #24 sealed the fate of the entire thread, rather than just that one post and responses to it being...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    Well, thank you for not silencing the words that have already been spoken, I guess that's something. I'm equally concerned with the words that haven't been spoken (written) yet.
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    I'm not claiming that it is intentional or that it's your agenda, but you've collectively very well accomplished Kent's agenda.
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    For what it's worth, I don't think anybody here is evil; at worst, just misguided and ignorant of the unintended consequences of their actions.

    I still don't see why more overtly politicized...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    Then the moderators shouldn't take actions that push an agenda.
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    Me too. I'm sorry to see this forum is just another one of those after all.
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    Oren, the overall tenor of your response reaffirms my fears that this is not a welcoming place for photographs that touch on anything that anybody might politicize and that I shouldn't bother posting...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    Then why do the image sharing subforums exist? Even if the forum were truly solely about "techno-artistic LF results" we're discussing a case in which the words affect the viewer's relationship to or...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    Making mistakes is natural. Doubling down on them is stubbornness.
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    A post can simultaneously have ad hominem and point out that you're wrong. The two aren't mutually exclusive. And as Corran, 8thsamurai, and even yourself have posted, silence isn't assent.
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    I question whether the moderation of this forum is applied evenly to all subjects.
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    That wasn't the question I asked.
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    With the "Hearts on our Sleeves" thread having been open without incident for three months and with Richard having made actually political comments about certain subjects in his sci-fi portraits...
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    Re: LFPF censorship and moderation

    I wonder what would happen if photographs of the people in Richard's thread were posted in the Nudes thread - without words, even?
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