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None of which are retro focus designs.

Stop fighting Dan.


Bernice

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2011/03/the-development-of-wide-angle-lenses/

Initial idea -vs- development into better performance optic.


Bernice

Consider the back focus distance and film format size -vs- lens angle of view.

For a non-retrofocus view camera or similar lens with a large angel of view at the front light entrance of the lens,...

Previously discussed.
https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?111365-Schneider-Super-Symmar-HM-series

Tested, made images and considered the 150mm SSHM for 5x7 decades ago....

Which makes that 12" f4 TTH a tele photo lens. More extreme examples of this can be found in smaller film format lenses.

Like this Canon 1200mm f5.6 telephoto lens with a back focal distance of...

What you're saying Dan is this 12"/4 TTH telephoto focuses to infinity at a short distance (less than 12") from the film plane area?
That would be 12" focal length f4 ?

In a similar way to...

300mm f5.6 Plasmats are going to be in a Copal# 3 regardless if they are APO Sironar, Nikkor W, Symmar_, Fujinon _.
All will be HUGE. More similar than different regardless APO, Schneider, Fujinon,...

Justification or telephoto view camera lenses is to reduce the front to rear standards distance (aka bellows draw) for a given focal length, trading off other optical design aspects. There is no...

Depends on the lens and what image goal needs are.

Best to decided on print image goals first, then what film-process, then lens needed to meet these needs with the camera nothing more than a...

Bag bellows for this Arca Swiss will likely solve the limited camera movement problem. This is often true for using WA lenses on any view camera.

Bernice

Consider a Schneider 500mm f5.5 Tele Xenar, good optical performance at f5.5, by f8 near optimal optical performance, smaller than f22 optical performance begins to degrade. As for OOF rendition,...

Have a CF for the 75mm f4.5 Grandagon, never used it. IMO, for the majority of B&W prints, a CF is not needed.
The 72mm Super Angulon XL on 5x7 is very often more than ok with no CF for B&W prints....

Decided to take the aperture scale off the 210mm f9 Kowa Graphic's Copal# 1, put the scale in scanner.
This 210mm f9 Kowa Graphic was once owned by Morley Baer. He used it (8x10) for a LOT of years...

The head of the 138 can be tilted to 90 degrees allowing it to be used as a horizontal enlarger. The foot base has wheels with a groove. These grooves can work with a track to allow the 138 to roll...

Pretty much..

The geared Sinar P "asymmetrical" tilt / swing feature is quick and handy in studio for reducing setting up camera movements. For the majority of view camera situations that do not...

Contact prints can be done with nothing more fancy as a bare light bulb with a on-off switch and a contact printing frame.


Bernice

While an enlarger is essentially a view camera inverted there are a long list of realities using a view camera as an enlarger is a really BAD idea.

~Set up stability, how can any view camera be...

Much the same here. As said more than a few times, those beginning this LF journey on 4x5 would be wise to stick with the traditional three focal length set of;

~90mm

~150mm to 210mm

~300mm...

IMO, give up "focusing" on the miracle-magical-fancy lens, focus on using your view camera and lenses on hand..
In time, might discover stuff such as lighting, composition and all those other...

Heh.. Sort of. Number of the APO Lanthars from years ago had yellowing of the glass. This altered color balance for color transparency film and other color films. This was one of the "flaws"...

OK, fine. We have been here done this before.

Any of your APO Lanthars have yellowing of the glass?
In addition to Lanthanum glass used, early APO Lanthars had optical glass with Thorium oxide...

Correct in many ways that is not appreciated today. Vast majority of LF film image makers back in the day were working photographers trying to put food on the table and a roof over their head &...

Yes, or why the most modern multi-coated LF uber contrast lenses are not always best.

As previously mentioned, back in the Ciba-Ilford Chrome print days, one of the ways to aid in excessive...

IMO, APO Lanthar is over rated. Essentially German marketing moniker for a lens that used low dispersion Lanthanum glass invented in the US of A circa WW-II. Lanthanum glass was used in LOTs of Kodak...

Been there done this. 14" Goerz Blue Dot Trigor in barrel. Trounced the 360mm f5.6 Rodenstock Sironar N in resolution with better contrast and overall remarkable image circle and very low geometric...

Fancy.... Rodenstock 6 disc Jmagon
https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?121333-30cm-H5-6-Jmagon&highlight=disc+jmagon

Fancy lenses do "not" make images, how an...

210mm F9 Graphic Kowa. Yes, works good for 8x10. Small, light weight, Copal# 1 shutter.

They were lesser known decades ago and low cost as most 8x10 folks were using lenses like the 200mm...

Larger image circle is NOT always a desirable "feature". Much depends on film format and actual camera movements needed, print image goals, and all those other factors.

Excessive image circle...

"Budget" maybe, except these budget view camera lenses still produced excellent images.

Copal shutters were the same used on other lenses made by the big four.


Bernice

Previous discussion:
https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?160453-210mm-F5-6-Lens-For-8x10&highlight=wide+angle+lens+8x10


Bernice

Historically, there were few if any "hobbyist" grade view camera lenses as historically a view camera was used and intended by Foto folks that were relatively serious about making images. That said,...

Those small Linhof lens boards have become extremely popular and common for a long list of field foldable cameras. The board itself is a good design. Limitations are due to their size. They "just...

Yes, this can be done. Then the problem of setting the position of the moved rear standard of the Technika becomes very real.
While this is a feature on the Technika, in real world use, it is not...

Linhof Technika hassles with wide angle lenses.. One of the many reasons why after owning and using a good number of 4x5 and 5x7 Linhof Technika, they are all long gone. Nicely made, absolutely. Nice...

Video from Tim Hall.

These notable photographers_artist have found their voice and helped others along the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RPbjwxEUSY


Have any of these...

There are very good and very real reasons why the majority of high quality commercial was done on 4x5 (often done in studio, highly controlled lighting with a monorail camera), these images were most...

NO.


Bernice

Which brings up this discussion from years ago.
https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?104275-More-Than-a-Bit-Disturbing&highlight=Bernice+Loui


Bernice

Robert Adams sure :)

What about:
Imogen Cunningham

Edward Steichen

Joyce Tenneson

Howard Schwartz

Being unfamiliar with Stephen Shore, had to look. These images does not a lot for "me"..
Brings up the question of what "IS" art and artistic expression? _again. Would art be defined by individuals...