Re: 110mm Super Symma Hazer—Schneider Drops the Ball
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Originally Posted by
E. von Hoegh
Haze will certainly have an effect, reduced contrast and as the haze gets worse the sharpness will eventually suffer.
Is this a theoretical 'haze affects contrast and sharpness' or an actual 'I have a schneider symmar with the aforementioned haze and I can't see any effect in images'?
I only as as there are many different effects you can see on a lens when looked at an angle that don't show in images.
Tim
Re: 110mm Super Symma Hazer—Schneider Drops the Ball
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Originally Posted by
timparkin
Is this a theoretical 'haze affects contrast and sharpness' or an actual 'I have a schneider symmar with the aforementioned haze and I can't see any effect in images'?
I only as as there are many different effects you can see on a lens when looked at an angle that don't show in images.
Tim
The haze does show in images, more in some lighting than others. How much loss of contrast you can tolerate before it becomes troublesome is a different matter. I have an old convertible Symmar that has slight haze, if I had a pristine example to compare with it I could tell you how much effect it has. The images are still acceptable though, and someday I will disassemble it, de-haze it, and remove the Schneideritus as well.
Re: 110mm Super Symma Hazer—Schneider Drops the Ball
Haze in old Leica lenses gives them their character according to lore, it does soften some lenses up for portraiture nicely. I had a ~50-year old Symmar that was nice for people.
Re: 110mm Super Symma Hazer—Schneider Drops the Ball
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Originally Posted by
Frank Petronio
Haze in old Leica lenses gives them their character according to lore, it does soften some lenses up for portraiture nicely. I had a ~50-year old Symmar that was nice for people.
One of my friends had a Leitz Xenon f:1.5 (IIRC) lens which was so badly hazed it was useless. Cleaning it up made it into quite a nice lens, a lot like an uncoated Sonnar (which it was a clone of) I had on a Contax II.
I can do without any character haze may add to my lenses.
Re: 110mm Super Symma Hazer—Schneider Drops the Ball
I never noticed any problems from the haze. I only found it when I was outside and the sun was shining into the lens which made the haze quite apparent. It is a fairly small amount of haze, but I assume it will keep getting worse. I would rather not take any chances, and will get it cleaned.
Re: 110mm Super Symma Hazer—Schneider Drops the Ball
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Originally Posted by
E. von Hoegh
One of my friends had a Leitz Xenon f:1.5 (IIRC) lens which was so badly hazed it was useless. Cleaning it up made it into quite a nice lens, a lot like an uncoated Sonnar (which it was a clone of) I had on a Contax II.
I can do without any character haze may add to my lenses.
E., check your references. IIRC, the Xenon is a 6/4 double Gauss type that Schneider licensed from TTH. The Sonnar is, well, a Sonnar. Bertele design. Meniscus, coupla cemented elements, diaphragm, more cemented elements. Six air-glass interfaces. Not a 6/4 double Gauss.
Re: 110mm Super Symma Hazer—Schneider Drops the Ball
People here have, in the past, reported haze inexplicably developing in the 110mm XL, and Badger would accept them back for delivery to Schneider – who, in turn, would correct the problem, and send the lens back to Badger.
Badger would not charge for this service; moreover, they’d offer it no matter how far back the lens was purchased.
This no-cost service usually surprised me, for my understanding is that Badger sold this and other lenses as “grey market” items. Certainly the new lenses I’ve purchased from Badger – the 110mm and the Fuji A 240mm – did not come w/ lifetime warranty cards. This would seem to confirm Richard’s finding (post #9) that they are not an authorized U.S. dealer, even if their excellent service would seem to indicate otherwise.
Re: 110mm Super Symma Hazer—Schneider Drops the Ball
Even if it's Grey the parent company still warranties the item... you just have the risk, expense, and delay of international shipping.
Re: 110mm Super Symma Hazer—Schneider Drops the Ball
Yes, and that makes me believe Badger was either picking-up the shipping costs, or more likely, piggy-backing the lenses in their regular, periodic shipments to and from Schneider.
It sounds to me that Badger has been going out of their way to please us, or perhaps they enjoyed a special arrangement with the German boys. In any case, loss of the lifetime warranty (on haze) is unexpected & unhappy news from Schneider.
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Originally Posted by
Richard Wasserman
Schneider’s current position seems to be that an adhesive they use reacts with some, but not all air and causes the haze. Since they cannot control the air where the lens is used, they refuse to honor the warranty.
If true, Schneider is in sore need of help managing & explaining their warranties! ;^)
“It’s not our fault you’re using the lens in air it wasn’t designed for.”
Re: 110mm Super Symma Hazer—Schneider Drops the Ball
I sent a lens to Schneider in CA a few years ago for internal cleaning (not a 110, and it had very mild fungus, not haze). The cost was $90. Just FYI.