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hello, here's a test of a new batch of fujfilm green Xray film. Crown Graphic, ISO 6 125/sec f4, HC110 B for 2 minutes, minimal post. sunny day, clear blue sky,
I'm not sure what to do different other than a different developer oAttachment 243286r a filter possibly.
Rodinol 1/100 Distilled water 70F 6 1/2 minutes
Fresh Distilled water stop 1 minute
TF5 mixed with Distilled 5 minutes
Wash in slow running sink water
Hi Andrew,
I just ordered all the chems from Artcraft to make up some PyrocatHD. I'll place another order for chems to make D-23. It is frustrating b/c I have about 500lbs of various raw chems in storage in SLC, UT, which I do not have access to currently. I'll take your recommendation on EI and development.
Thanks to everyone with their recent thoughts! I appreciate it a TON!
I had to google SLC, UT ;)
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...75b840a9_b.jpgAuto Maki no 2 270 4.8 Tele Arton HRU 4 by Nokton48, on Flickr
Automatic Makiflex #2 270mm F4.8 Tele-Arton Makiflex Auto Iris 1/30 F11 Fuji 8x10 XRay HRU cut down to 4x5 in Graphmatic back StarD tripod. Development 12 minutes 60F straight Mic-X replenished by inspection of shadow values by deep red safelight. 8x10 Arista #2 RC Omega DII 180 Rodagon f22 35 seconds Omegalite diffusion head Multigrade developer
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6f0ae5fe_b.jpgAuto Maki no 2 180 2.8 Xenotar HRU 3 by Nokton48, on Flickr
Automatic Makiflex #2 150mm F2.8 Xenotar wide-open 1/15 Fuji 8x10 XRay HRU cut down to 4x5 in Graphmatic back StarD tripod. Development 12 minutes 60F straight Mic-X replenished by inspection of shadow values by deep red safelight. 8x10 Arista #2 RC Omega DII 180 Rodagon f22 35 seconds Omegalite diffusion head Multigrade developer
Watch the movieQuote:
Originally Posted by Andrew O'Neill
SLC Punk!
A classic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Can
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6c502986_h.jpgMakiflex 150 Xenar HRU D23 Octobox 150 by Nokton48, on Flickr
Plaubel Makiflex 150mm Schneider barrel Xenar 4x5 Fuji HRU XRAY D23 1:1 8x10 Aristo #2 RC Omega DII laser aligned. Dektol 1:2 Broncolor Octobox 150 1600J with frosted bulb and Octobox Supplemental Diffusion. Backround by David Maheu "Tim Kelly Classic".
That is very lovely. Thank you for sharing. What are you rating the HRU at?
Is this the scan of the negative or of the print?
It's a scan of the print.
Sorry, thought I answered you. Oops. In the studio Broncolor strobes with clear tubes, I set my Strobe Meters to EI 50, and test away. That rating includes a filter factor for the medium yellow filters I use with this film. Then I bracket copiously (the film is cheapo!) and shoot dupes. Damage from scratching added to dust from using olde equipment, leads me to shoot dupes if I like what I am seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimberly A
Outdoors color temps DO affect film speed. Twelve Noon versus Setting Orange Sun, will/or can radically affect results. Best to shoot lots and give yourself a choice in the darkroom. My 8x10 sheets were 35 cents each so shoot a lot!
In 2021 I bought a box (500 sheets) of Fuji mammography (the sigle side one) X-ray film because I was sure it is the last time I could bought it. Now I wanted (again just to have it for the rest of my life) to buy normal, cheap green X-ray film (13x18 and 18x24) and to my surprise it is gone (almost). The distributor of Carestream in Romania doesn't have any film from 2022 and other distributors have some left overs (various brands). This means that the days of cheap x-ray film are almost gone, in US is still available but probably it is old stock - better to have some freezer stock.
Iowa requires all used medical X-Ray be retained for 7 years by law
https://www.google.com/search?q=iowa...&ie=UTF-8#ip=1
I only bought fresh from Iowa ZZ Medical
I bought a case 14X36" no fold for a project
ZZ only sells fresh
It stores well at 72F for many years as tested by me
Make sure you buy analog film and NOT DIGITAL!
https://www.zzmedical.com/x-ray-prac...reen-hr-u.html
To my knowledge single sided is long gone in the US as well, what remains is HRU and others, which are all dual sided. It is however fresh and not old stock. Fuji is weird — they produce for some markets but not others….Quote:
Originally Posted by stiganas
I was surprised by the sudden cancelation from our small market (Romania) - last time I asked the distributor about it - she told me no worry - we have everything in stock, we will have it for a long time and now - we don't distribuite it anymore. Beside this, my sizes (13x18 and 18x24, we don't have 8x10") are not the most used ones in X-ray - one more reason to make a make a stock for the future. It was a long run for the analogic x-ray film - I was expecting to be replaced by digital a long time ago (and I was expecting digital to be truly digital and not printed on "dry flim" but this is another thing) - it had a long run but in medical laboratory there is no nostalgia or art - when is gone is gone.
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Originally Posted by Kiwi7475
Cat te-o costat atunci cutia de 500 si ce dimensiune?Quote:
Originally Posted by stiganas
It was around 50 EUR/ 100 sheets pack when I bought it (Fuji mamo), now the list price is around 80 EUR (Colenta). The regular green is around 12 EUR for 13x18 and 25 EUR for 18x24 /100 pack but now I have so much that for sure I will sell (or give it away) most of it in the coming years.
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Originally Posted by Eugen Mezei
I would like to purchase an x-ray film that I want to cut into a Kodak Panorama no.4, but also use in 18x24 camera. As a cheaper alternative to Fomapan 100.
I'm from the Czech Republic, I see the following ortho films (I don't want a blue-sensitive film) in stock here and around (I don't want a blue-sensitive film):
Fuji UM-MA HC
Agfa CP-G
Agfa HDR-C
Is there a major difference?
And last question...with Fomapan 100, I sometimes shoot at 400 with cameras that do not allow a longer exposure, and the film can handle it well. Is something like this possible with x-ray film?
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by glerin
I have written a PDF of my experiments with X-ray films.
However - I seemingly can NOT up-load it on this "web-site"....
It tells of the selection, Cutting, exposures, and Development processes.
James.....
Thanks, I appreciate it, I sent an email.Quote:
Originally Posted by James R. Kyle
Please try again---
I did not receive it....
James..
I've done some new test on development, 18x24 X-ray film.
Pyro-501 home made and Cibachrome drum. Dilution 1:500, using 0.2ml/100ml water or even 0.1ml/50ml water (insulin syringe) with continuous rotation for 30minutes, 25C, a simpler variation of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHBra5tx3wE
Pleased with the density and contrast of the negatives - good scanning and good contact prints.
I use mamo film and the antihalo dye cleans nicely and used also double sided X-ray MXG (2017 expired) - no scratches (not 100% sure of even development)
18x24
Attachment 245191
the full size
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114856861@N02/53438111309
Also a lot of 18x24 cut in three 6cm wide stripe in various 120mm folders, same development. I got two images of 6x9 or three 6x6 or four 6x4.5
I tried 2 sheets overlapped and got bad results, some undeveloped areas.
I need to try exposing 3.5 X 14" X'Ray Pano
I have Film Hangers that size
I may tape strips in 11X14 holders
I always want an odd experience
What about X-ray film used in the producing industry for nondestructive checks? (I guess for weldings, defects in materials, etc.) From time to time they appear on sale.
Agfa Structurix is the one I know. It is easy to find at specialized resellers for industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eugen Mezei
The point is that in European Union hyper regulations don't allow sale of products deemed for companies (industries) and professional sectors (medical for instance) to private persons, so the visibility of such dedicated resellers is limited to the professionals inside the given sector.
Implementation of EU regulations varies by country, and sometimes a branch reseller/shop doesn't care and sells to private persons small amount of an item. Here in Norway, which follows strictly EU norms it's impossible because you must provide a company VAT number, majority of shops in France too (local SIRET number or EU VAT number) and Germany is (in)famous for sticking to whatever regulation.
Sometimes it has to do with the level of tax control on business, with requirements for strictly conform accounting data, partly related treasury, partly related traceability of whatever transaction.
The other day I contacted a business in Germany selling a range of medical x-ray films. When the contact knew I was not a business she didn't even reply back.
by now some british seller offers Structurix on Ebay, but because it is outside EU, there is the tax wall, making it more expensive.
if in your country you don't find a reseller who can be and is relaxed with the company/private regulations, then the nearest area, included very lax attitude with postal tax declaration (quite some will declare as gift, so dodge import tax), is Ukraine, for instance for medical film https://medshop.com.ua/rentgenologiy...entgen-plenka/ Otherwise Russia but need to have a russian card. Then China, but from experience it's hard to find a reseller accepting to sell small amounts.
I have still a stock of x-ray blue, green, mammographic. My preferred LF size is 13x18/5x7 and I shoot sometimes a lot, so x-ray is very convenient. It's invaluable when testing repro lenses and old brass lenses, etc. So I'd like to buy more of it but yesterday instead I bought a roll of aerial film, 76m in 24cm. This too from a 2-hand source, some seller in India. It's silly: I bought from India 2-hand an item manufactured in Belgium, but that I have no possibility to buy directly as an european.
today I contacted again Astrum/Svema about their current stocks and prices.
Before I bought from them bulk Svema 100 in 61,5mm and 13x18 sheets.
I didn't pay attention to everything on their product list. But then I have noticed their x-ray films:
https://i.imgur.com/IHB0Yt4.jpg
rentgenplivka texnichna is labelled RT-4 and RT-5. These remind namings of FOMA industrial xray films under name INDUX, R4, R5, R7:
https://www.foma.cz/en/catalogue-ind...-ray-films-153
so I asked the SVEMA/ASTRUM guy and he answered they do sell FOMA xray technical film, also cut at desired size. ...
I bought a box of 5X7 Industrial X-Ray
It has way too much packaging
It is meant to to be exposed inside a heavy paper envelope
X-Ray!
Outside also had Lead cover
So it was you who overbid me on eBay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Can
I am curious to see your results.
Fuji has the IX series: https://www.mpmproducts.com/fujifilm---film.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by landstrykere
I bet Kodak also has something similar.
New it seems more expensive than medical xray film. Even second hand it usually sells for more, I am asking why.
Are xray casettes somehow usefull for our purposes? Bought the remains of a veterinary. I wanted the xray films and the frames for dip and dunk developing but a bunch of casettes does come with it.
Told the seller I do not need them, as shipping would be cheaper. But if they can be used, I can ask to pack some of them too, up to the limit of the next shipping category.
Years ago I asked if these casettes are usable in our LF cameras and somebody answered yes. I can confirm their are not! (Having never seen these things I back than bought one, following the recommendation.)
So are any other uses for us?
Not large format but the process is nearly identical so hope it’s allowed. Shot my first batch of x-ray sheet film through my Graflex Crown Graphic 23. I’ve started contact printing and adding adhesive postcard backing so I can share with friends and family.
Fujifilm Super HR-U @ 80
Pyrocat HD in Paterson tank with moderate agitation @ 6’Attachment 245960Attachment 245961
Do not use
Waste of money
Buy only medical
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Originally Posted by Eugen Mezei
That is a too harsh recommandation in my opinion. Especially the roll format seems interesting and not avaible as such for medical applications. I for sure would like to buy (if cheap) a 600 m roll at the width of 70, 900 or 100 mm. Or whatever they also offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Can
I can cut any size up to 48”
And as small as Hassy single shot film holder
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Originally Posted by Eugen Mezei
I've been shooting HRU handheld at 1/50 sec bright sun with Plaubel Makina II 6.5x9cm. It's fun to do. Developed long time in replenished Legacy Microdol-X. Longest developing time being 30 minutes it's a slow process which I like. I use the Jason Lane Double Safe safelight never any fog during inspection. About four feet away. I attach XRAY clips so the film dosen't slosh around in the Cesco tray, no scratches I've done it. I have fifty Makina Planfilm Holders, and some others that fit as well. Fun ahead.
Look what I just bought:
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Silly expensive and they are smart, they made the front from white plexy so I have to buy another in order to have two halves.
Now I have to decide if I use the red light to develop X-ray film or open a brothel. Second option would recover my money.
Stay away from The House of the Rising Sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-43lLKaqBQ
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Originally Posted by Eugen Mezei
Buy all new kit for your darkroom, mount that puppy, then tell you wife "Honey, I fixed up the darkroom to celebrate our love!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Eugen Mezei
I can buy all the kit and gear. You know why? I have no wife, therefore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Meisburger
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6c502986_h.jpgMakiflex 150 Xenar HRU D23 Octobox 150 by Nokton48, on Flickr
Plaubel Makiflex 150mm Schneider barrel Xenar 4x5 Fuji HRU XRAY D23 1:1 8x10 Aristo #2 RC Omega DII laser aligned. Dektol 1:2 Broncolor Octobox 150 with frosted bulb and Octobox Supplemental Diffusion. Backround by David Maheu "Tim Kelly Classic".
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...06152ab7_h.jpg4x5 Fuji HRU Mic-X 5 minutes by Nokton48, on Flickr
Fuji 8x10 HR-U X-Ray cut down to 4x5, Graphmatic Holder, 4x5 Sinar Norma 180mm f5.6 chrome Durst Componon lens, full key sun. This was exposure #6, two stops over ambient reading of grey card EI 50 TTL Sinarsix 1/15 @ Fll. Short development is stock Legacy Mic-X 5 minutes 68F. Cesco flat bottomed 8x10 tray, sheets developed singly. I did a sort of ring-around, varying exposure and development times. This is the lowest contrast version which I like. 8x10 Arista RC #2 Multigrade dev Omega DII with Omegalite circuline head Cool thing is this works out to about 7 cents per 4x5 sheet.
I've been using an rb67 with a grafmatic 23 back recently. really loving the glow this fuji x-ray film has. super fun developing by inspection too.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...41c94fe9_z.jpgjust when youre getting comfortable by Shuji, on Flickr
Bet you made that in a pinch! ;)
:D haha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew O'Neill
it was a bit of a pain to meter too :D
2 boxes of Fuji HR-U green 8x10 just arrived from Ebay (2026-07-31 expiration date) and I'm bleary-eyed reading about half of this thread.
I can feed this to multiple sheet film cameras; from 3.25 x 4.25, 9x12cm, 4x5, 5x7 and Whole Plate view cameras, so I have my work cut out for me.
Prices are going up a bit; $43 per 100, but that's still peanuts compared to even Arista Edu sheet film.
Hope to post some examples in a few weeks. Still figuring out my workflow and safe light situation.
Should be fun!
It is fun and works
Very Very Well
I got a box of Fuji that expired in 2001. Going to see how well it works this weekend.
I'll bet it'll be fine. I have a box of double-sided green from 2005. Kept it in a drawer. It's totally fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by shuji