# Large Format Landscapes

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• 25-Sep-2014, 06:39
Nana Sousa Dias
Re: Large Format Landscapes
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Originally Posted by David Hedley
I agree - it looks like a mathematical function to me, such as an integral. One for the equivalence thread, perhaps.

David, I'm portuguese and my English is kind of raw material, can you explain it to me as if I was one of the Spears sisters, please?:) Thanks....
• 25-Sep-2014, 06:42
Nana Sousa Dias
Re: Large Format Landscapes
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Originally Posted by George E. Sheils
Wonderful work, Nana !

Thanks, George.
• 25-Sep-2014, 06:43
Nana Sousa Dias
Re: Large Format Landscapes
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Originally Posted by Jmarmck
Wonderful contrast in texture on this one!
What were the shutter speeds on these two?

Thanks, Marty

I can't remember the shutter speeds, Marty.
• 25-Sep-2014, 07:04
David Hedley
Re: Large Format Landscapes
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Originally Posted by Nana Sousa Dias
David, I'm portuguese and my English is kind of raw material, can you explain it to me as if I was one of the Spears sisters, please?:) Thanks....

Desculpe, Nana (ou Britney? ;)), eu falo só pouco portuguęs brasileiro! Maybe it's more like the shape of an f-hole in a violin, but I was just thinking of the mathematical sign for integration (the opposite of differentiation);
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3898/...58ca1edce2.jpg
• 25-Sep-2014, 07:24
Nana Sousa Dias
Re: Large Format Landscapes
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hedley
Desculpe, Nana (ou Britney? ;)), eu falo só pouco portuguęs brasileiro! Maybe it's more like the shape of an f-hole in a violin, but I was just thinking of the mathematical sign for integration (the opposite of differentiation);
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3898/...58ca1edce2.jpg

LOLOLOL....thanks for the explanation...
• 25-Sep-2014, 09:36
Old_Dick
Re: Large Format Landscapes
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Originally Posted by Nana Sousa Dias
Attachment 122298
NSD 45 PS (home made 4x5 camera), SA 47 XL, Fomapan 100, red filter

Stunning work Nană.
• 25-Sep-2014, 09:41
ALVANDI Camera
Re: Large Format Landscapes
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Originally Posted by Nana Sousa Dias
Attachment 122299
NSD 45 PS (home made 4x5 camera), SA 47 XL, Fomapan 100, red filter

Wonderful work.
• 25-Sep-2014, 10:27
RSalles
Re: Large Format Landscapes
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Originally Posted by Dirk Rösler
OK, maybe that's true but honestly I cannot see the problem at all. What you are saying seems to be about the order of things to look at and starting at the top left-ish cannot be bad. But even if it was the bottom right I would not really mind as an experienced viewer would look at the whole picture eventually. The order may be important but effectively saying "good photos do not contain small areas of plain white" seems a little silly to me as you would end up trying to avoid the sky in all sorts of situations and just constrain yourself without a real reason. But it is all subjective, so perhaps it works for some and not for others, that's ok... thanks.

Dirk,

One thing is when we see a picture that drives our attention, in which we find something that's almost working but not completely. Another story is to explain this found in words...
When I saw the picture referred above the first time, my attention was catched by that white "spot", maybe as a "gate", returning point, dunno. What I came across immediately viewing the picture is that "white spot" drove my attention out of the canvas without a back entry point - returning point back to the canvas. It's not a matter of artistic evaluation or grading of any sort: it's just a "walk around" of the eyes trough the basement of the image composition, fast viewing, and fast writing. To try to explain better without the aim in comparing too different images, I'll show a picture of a flickr poster, which used more or less the same "sky portion at the top" with a returning point to the canvas,

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5570/...23e3f14d17.jpg

2014_July_Hietaniemi-Helsinki_Graflex-Ektar-152mm_004
by Tatu Korhonen, on Flickr

The pic above is neither better or worst then yours - it's not a matter of ranking in any way, but I hope it explain the composition subject i'm talking about.
In the pic above I see another white "something" in the foreground which balance the entire image, and the most important think: a path linking both - the clear perspective effect created by the graves on the ground,

Cheers,

Renato
• 25-Sep-2014, 10:33
Woodturner-fran
Re: Large Format Landscapes
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Originally Posted by Nana Sousa Dias
I think that triangle of sky is killing the photo, I would crop the image, so the atention focuses on the rocks and water. Nice camera you have there, I tried one in Brasil, 2 years ago and I loved it, small, light, lots of movements, nice belows extension, it is, probably, the most clever field camera design I've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by Dirk Rösler
Hi, I would counter that the small triangle of sky is complementing the large triangle of rocks in front (hourglass composition) and emphasises the perspective and distance... I think "killing the photo" is really too strong a term, anyway.

I think a slightly higher viewpoint would have been beneficial though.

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Originally Posted by Jmarmck
...or perhaps a filter/polarizer. Raising the POV were would alter the rocks and rapids appearance. To me, the image is lacking snap (lighting/contrast). Perhaps put more white in the rapids. There is a lack of separation between the upstream pool and its left side surroundings. Changing POV up and right might help, but then you have to deal with the rapids and rock again.

The initial fall of the water is great. Perhaps that alone would be a suitable subject. The reflections are great too. Over all it is a nice pleasant photo that invokes desires. The image makes me want to grab the fly rod and go fishing for some smallmouth.

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Originally Posted by Nana Sousa Dias
Any spot of a photo wich is plain white is where the eyes go, by instinct. That's why I said it's killing the photo. What Marty said is right, the rapids should have a bit more white to catch the atention, wich is going to that sky triangle, going outside the image. I didn't invent this, I learned this from Ansel Adams and some other guys like Edward and Brett Weston, John Sexton, Bruce Barnbaum, etc...

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Originally Posted by Nana Sousa Dias
Try this, Dirk...

Open the photo and close your eyes, try to think in anything but the photo for a few seconds, then open your eyes and look at the photo, you will look at the rapids first and, then, your eyes go directly to the sky triangle, out of the photo. Now, cover the upper part of the image, untill the triangle disapears. Close your eyes again, repeat the process. This time, your eyes goes directly to the rapids, as well, but then, they run all over the rockas and, then to the rest of the image.

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Originally Posted by Nana Sousa Dias
Try this, Dirk...

Open the photo and close your eyes, try to think in anything but the photo for a few seconds, then open your eyes and look at the photo, you will look at the rapids first and, then, your eyes go directly to the sky triangle, out of the photo. Now, cover the upper part of the image, untill the triangle disapears. Close your eyes again, repeat the process. This time, your eyes goes directly to the rapids, as well, but then, they run all over the rockas and, then to the rest of the image.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirk Rösler
OK, maybe that's true but honestly I cannot see the problem at all. What you are saying seems to be about the order of things to look at and starting at the top left-ish cannot be bad. But even if it was the bottom right I would not really mind as an experienced viewer would look at the whole picture eventually. The order may be important but effectively saying "good photos do not contain small areas of plain white" seems a little silly to me as you would end up trying to avoid the sky in all sorts of situations and just constrain yourself without a real reason. But it is all subjective, so perhaps it works for some and not for others, that's ok... thanks.

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Originally Posted by George E. Sheils
Great image, Fran.

For what it's worth I really like the white triangle of sky. For me it gives a great lift to the image.

In many ways it is typically Irish...that kind of light.

Each to their own, though.

Hope I get to shoot with you again soon.

Cheers,
George.

PS...please don't post anything as 'controversial' next time ;)

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Originally Posted by panoral
Wonderful work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSalles
Dirk,

One thing is when we see a picture that drives our attention, in which we find something that's almost working but not completely. Another story is to explain this found in words...
When I saw the picture referred above the first time, my attention was catched by that white "spot", maybe as a "gate", returning point, dunno. What I came across immediately viewing the picture is that "white spot" drove my attention out of the canvas without a back entry point - returning point back to the canvas. It's not a matter of artistic evaluation or grading of any sort: it's just a "walk around" of the eyes trough the basement of the image composition, fast viewing, and fast writing. To try to explain better without the aim in comparing too different images, I'll show a picture of a flickr poster, which used more or less the same "sky portion at the top" with a returning point to the canvas,

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5570/...23e3f14d17.jpg

2014_July_Hietaniemi-Helsinki_Graflex-Ektar-152mm_004
by Tatu Korhonen, on Flickr

The pic above is neither better or worst then yours - it's not a matter of ranking in any way, but I hope it explain the composition subject i'm talking about.
In the pic above I see another white "something" in the foreground which balance the entire image, and the most important think: a path linking both - the clear perspective effect created by the graves on the ground,

Cheers,

Renato

Oh my!!! I didn't meant to kick off such a discussion!!! Maybe it serves a purpose though.

Here's the funny thing!! I had intended coming on here this evening to have a look at the comments - but also i actually did my darkroom print of the image yesterday, and scanned it just now (the earlier post was a neg scan). I did a final crop in the darkroom - have a look below at my own interpretation on the neg!! Maybe I should print it both ways!!

Many thanks to all who contributed - your comments are extremely useful! George - did you see the thread on APUG re a meet up on Oct 5th?

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Fran
• 25-Sep-2014, 10:58
RSalles
Re: Large Format Landscapes
Fran,

That's why this thread was open - share images, discuss, exchanging point of views, that's it...

Cheers,

Renato
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