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That is true about training the Epson. If you make adjustments with the Aztec software you can store those adjustments as a calibration file and then do final scan using that calibration file. End result is a linear gamma curve as out out for image. This makes adjustments in PS much better as you’re not starting with a baked in formula so to speak.
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Let me run the Epson file thru Nik define. It is for removing noise from digital images but works well with scans. I ran the Howtek thru define so that may account for some of the differences.
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From a recent trip to Tucson and Saguaro National Park - beautiful area, and white pleased with this image of the some of the range of cacti that are there.
FP4+ at 200 in Stearman Press Ultra for Large Format; Intrepid Mk IV with a Schneider Kreuznach Super Angulon 90mm and a yellow filter. ⅛ second at f32.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a36cc921_b.jpg20201122-Saguaro_NP-IntrepidIV_FP4_SPULF (2 of 2) by Alex Morrison, on Flickr
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Chattahoochee Runoff
Wisner 12x20, Schneider 360mm f/5.6 Symmar, HP5+ dev'd in HC-110 dil. H:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rfidiI9q8...1220-5878s.jpg
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Nice!
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I like this one. The water has a dreamy look to it. Well done.
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Dead Tree and storm, Grand Canyon North, Valhalla Lookout.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ac35416c_h.jpg
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Amazing
and that tree is wonderful
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Nice shot Steve. Nice and clear and sharp. Howtek?
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Yes, this was Howtek. Another image from this shoot was scanned on Epson.
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Amazing
and that tree is wonderful
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Thank you. It fits the mood I was in when I took that image.
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Ohhh, I've been dreaming of AZ lately. I need to go on a road trip. This stay-at-home for 2020 is killing me.
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Stunning!! But you can't fool me! It's says "portra" right on it! :)
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Good... what format ? 8x10 or ? What focal lens ?
Regards.
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Attachment 210583 Nikkor 90MM F8. Velvia 50 Epson 700 Epson Scan SW
Black Eyed Susan in Fallow Field @ Sunset, Mercer County Park, Central NJ
Attachment 210584 Nikkor 150MM F5.6W Ektachrome 100
Tickseed Sunflowers in Foggy Field
Sorry for Scan artifacts and miscolored highlights. But the image conveys adequately otherwise.
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False Foxglove at Sunset (Fallow Field), Mercer County Park West, Central NJ
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Attachment 210586 Nikkor 90MM f8, Velvia 50, 60 second exposure
Black River, Hacklebarney State Park, NJ.
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Attachment 210587 Nikkor 90MM f8 Ekatchrome
A simple field image of Milkweed and Broomsedge
Attachment 210588 Nikkor 150MM f5.6W Velvia 50 - 2 Minute Exposure
Sourland Mountain, Central NJ "Devil's Half Acre"
Alder Catkins and Maple Flowers at Sunset.
Comments welcome!
Thank you. PDM
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Attachment 210586 Nikkor 90MM f8, Velvia 50, 60 second exposure
Black River, Hacklebarney State Park, NJ.
Very nice!
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Attachment 210586 Nikkor 90MM f8, Velvia 50, 60 second exposure
Black River, Hacklebarney State Park, NJ.
Nice work. It would be good to see it bigger.
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Sourland Mountain, Central NJ "Devil's Half Acre"
Alder Catkins and Maple Flowers at Sunset.
Great set, but I'm going to vote this one "Best in Show"--I could really see a subtle, evocative print here, especially if you spent a bit more time in post guiding our eyes through the frame.
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Michael and Gabe, thank you for your comments. Since I do not post to another website, I don't have a way to make the image larger, at least as far as I know (please correct me if I am wrong). It is the maximum upload size allowed by this site.
I do have a 24"x30" print of this in my studio and I do enjoy viewing it up close. The Nikkor 90MM F8 is a real stunner for detail.
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Creation Bear,
Thanks. I gather you mean to increase contrast a bit. Easily done and I will experiment.
Traversing a hillside of these diabase boulders was precarious, but worth the risk I think.
What is interesting to me is how Fuji Velvia 50 rendered in low light, retaining great color contrast and definition with a slight shift to blue in shadows. Note that there was zero wind in taking this image; hence retained sharpness even at 2 minutes.
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Traversing a hillside of these diabase boulders was precarious, but worth the risk I think.
Ha, you might have been able to haul out a big ball of sleepy timber rattlers as well...:)
At any rate, given the vagaries of the native photo hosting here, I'm having to interpolate a bit...not exactly the Apple Retina experience! It definitely might be worth pushing curves a bit, but you might also consider a few different kinds of dodging/burning to bring out the spatial relationships a bit more. For myself, this particular shot has me thinking about DOF as well--out-of-focus areas fore and aft in the frame might have distilled the essence of the late winter/early spring scene in a way the f/64 approach can't.
Otherwise, a beautiful part of the world that you're roaming...
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For view camera work - unless depth of field is severely limited (8x10 with a long lens) it's always best to minimize the use of movements. It can get very confusing initially. Of course for architecture you (usually) need to lines to be straight. I know you know this (all of you do). Only weak pictures need perfection. Good ones can withstand plenty of flaws. Atget's work is riddled with flaws - so what? They're magnificent. And I can mention some photographers with flawless technique - and very dead looking prints, but I won't. Ja? If the camera points down, and the trees bow out a bit - so what if the picture is interesting? And not everything always needs to be "tack sharp" - sometimes that's very dull.
Go take pictures that are interesting. Avoid taking pictures that are "about photography" because you have a view camera.
Having said that, view cameras are marvelous to work with and you'll enjoy yourself immensely. (Make sure you have a good tripod!)
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For view camera work - unless depth of field is severely limited (8x10 with a long lens) it's always best to minimize the use of movements. It can get very confusing initially. Of course for architecture you (usually) need to lines to be straight. I know you know this (all of you do). Only weak pictures need perfection. Good ones can withstand plenty of flaws. Atget's work is riddled with flaws - so what? They're magnificent. And I can mention some photographers with flawless technique - and very dead looking prints, but I won't. Ja? If the camera points down, and the trees bow out a bit - so what if the picture is interesting? And not everything always needs to be "tack sharp" - sometimes that's very dull.
Go take pictures that are interesting. Avoid taking pictures that are "about photography" because you have a view camera.
Having said that, view cameras are marvelous to work with and you'll enjoy yourself immensely. (Make sure you have a good tripod!)
Well said!
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Pliew Waterfall, Chantaburi
45F-2 150mm F5.6 Sinaron-S f22 15 Sec.
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Quote Originally Posted by Barrister View Post
For view camera work - unless depth of field is severely limited (8x10 with a long lens) it's always best to minimize the use of movements. It can get very confusing initially. Of course for architecture you (usually) need to lines to be straight. I know you know this (all of you do). Only weak pictures need perfection. Good ones can withstand plenty of flaws. Atget's work is riddled with flaws - so what? They're magnificent. And I can mention some photographers with flawless technique - and very dead looking prints, but I won't. Ja? If the camera points down, and the trees bow out a bit - so what if the picture is interesting? And not everything always needs to be "tack sharp" - sometimes that's very dull.
Go take pictures that are interesting. Avoid taking pictures that are "about photography" because you have a view camera.
Having said that, view cameras are marvelous to work with and you'll enjoy yourself immensely. (Make sure you have a good tripod!)
Barrister:
Respectfully dissent (but of course you do have standing to present (:)), focusing on this image Creation Bear has pointed out. To achieve max DOF, I used front tilt and aperture of F45. Though F64 would have been ideal, a 4 Minute + exposure was not feasible due to low and declining light and unfamiliarity with reciprocity beyond 2 minutes.
The front tilt was used to create a diagonal of sharpness which allowed complete DOF in the foreground and all salient points mid-depth (maximum visual impact), with some loss of DOF in boulders in the background, tree leaves in the background being mostly in focus, from the front tilt. My objective would been impossible at F64 sans movements, not achieving what I have with F 45 and front tilt. Would the image have improved at F64 and complete DOF? Probably not. Would not using front tilt and F32 created a better image, IMO, no.
There is a certain pleasure (and something special) in being able to "step into" an image with complete (or as close as possible) DOF, fine detail throughout. I see no reason to avoid using movements if they achieve this objective given my own vision.
For landscape work, I find front swing, tilt, rear rise and occasional shift necessary to avoid apertures of F64. Since I like images with close detail that recedes into infinity with touchpoints along the way, all in focus as possible, movements are pretty necessary. Am I emulating Porter, Hyde, Dykinga, Adams, O'Hara, Meunch? Yes. Am I at fault for a lacking a vision without movements, absolutely. I would like to think that I could break this mold and "see" without movements, but I have allowed historic inculcation. Sorry for being boring.
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Lake Attilan and Volcano Guatemala
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Pliew Waterfall, Chantaburi
45F-2 150mm F5.6 Sinaron-S f22 15 Sec.
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Lovely!
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Porter
Nice discussion (I'm going to say I have "standing" since I roam about in the Appalachias, albeit a few hundred miles south of you.):)
I'm glad you mentioned Porter. A couple of things I picked up on in his compositions (e.g. in In the Realm of Nature was 1.) just how tightly he frames his "lithic" subjects, and 2.) how his arborscapes float patches of color against a backlit, almost monochrome background. Along those lines, I think the Porter-esque action is happening in the upper right quarter of the frame...I could imagine you taking a few steps to your right and shooting "through" the catkins and flowers at what ever aperture seemed reasonable. You very well might have use movements and lots of 'em, but the framing that works for the other, more pastoral, images you shared might need to give way to a more aggressive approach the further you get from civilization.
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Look man, if you use film and a view camera and concentrate happily in lovely spaces, God bless you. However you wish to work is fine - and none of my business. There aren't any rules for creative thinking, or working methods. Like David Vestal said, anything goes if the picture works.
The fellow starting the post was just beginning to use a view camera, and it's just been my experience that movements should be minimized initially - for beginners - to avoid confusion. Initially . . . not permanently. He'll get the hang of it, and probably become an expert pretty quickly - like you are. And for me - I've never really used a great deal of camera movements for some reason. A "realistic rendering" can be awfully dull - for me. But that's just me. I'm only an expert in my own opinion. I firmly believe that someone like Fred Picker did a great deal of damage trying to formulate rules for how people should "see" and work creatively. I'd never want to do that. It's one thing to have rules for getting dust out of holders before you load them - it's quite another to dictate rules for where to stand and how to organize a photograph - very dangerous.
If I see something a certain way, that's up to me. If you see something differently, that's your business. And you wouldn't have to agree with me at all. Years ago I knew photographers whose working methods astounded me - they seemed so haphazard and random. But they made beautiful pictures. One fellow hand-held a Bronica 6x6, sometimes he'd take a picture with one hand! - while I assiduously set up my 4x5, leveled and squared it, following classic "rules." And his pictures were much better than mine. They had life and energy - mine were dead looking.
I'll bet your pictures are nice too, eh?
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but the person starting the post did so in 2008, and hasn't posted here since 2012. (You can see this by clicking his/her username and then looking at "View Forum Posts.") The thread is now up to 1531 pages, and it's just about posting landscape images now, not how to use the view camera. Your suggestions might be better posted in the Style & Technique forum.
Note also (everyone) that "Critiques should only be offered if requested by the original poster." In my mind "I would have done this or that" is a critique.
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With regard to all this, I find I keep myself fresh by changing my vision every few years. Sometimes I use small apertures and movements to get everything more or less in focus. At other times, I use larger apertures and get out of focus backgrounds. One thing I like about large format is the number of options.
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Attachment 210586 Nikkor 90MM f8, Velvia 50, 60 second exposure
Black River, Hacklebarney State Park, NJ.
Just wondering if you also happened to shoot this in horizontal orientation? If so, please post it also!
I think the size is fine for viewing once I click on the image. Great job, especially given the low light and long exposure!
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Michael,
To incorporate a fair portion of the yellow foliage in an horizontal, I would have to moved back considerably, perhaps losing the salient aspects of this view, or change to a 75/65MM lens. I already was carrying 3 lenses but not a 75mm or wider, so did not consider a horizontal. Remember that I am already risking neck and limb by climbing on damp rocks, meaning sometimes images are a function of safe traverse and limitations in focal length. My arthritic shoulder prove out that 3 lenses was my limit when hiking.
Best,
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but the person starting the post did so in 2008, and hasn't posted here since 2012. (You can see this by clicking his/her username and then looking at "View Forum Posts.") The thread is now up to 1531 pages, and it's just about posting landscape images now, not how to use the view camera. Your suggestions might be better posted in the Style & Technique forum.
Note also (everyone) that "Critiques should only be offered if requested by the original poster." In my mind "I would have done this or that" is a critique.
H20 - No dog or fight for me, no offense from the "critique" by Barrister and Creation Bear - in fact quite the contrary. Sharing of ideas and approaches should be embraced, no? Obtaining good LF images requires significant seasoned craft, opportunity, decent vision and good composition, and above all, a body that can withstand carrying 25-35 pounds of equipment (plus tripod) on a regular basis. Scars from dislocated and arthritic shoulders from 20+ years of this passion are worth the effort, IMO. Pardon my didactic approach, but 12 years of teaching outdoor photography comes to the surface every so often.
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Attachment 210655 ditto
Adirondacks images, ala Porter. Both along Route 73 NYS
Creation Bear, agree that Porter sought tight comps - something to learn from. His use of Kodachrome and early Ektachrome and Dye Transfer printing techniques can't be matched today. DR was much lower with those early films than today's Portia/Provia. Thanks for your input!
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His use of Kodachrome and early Ektachrome and Dye Transfer printing techniques can't be matched today
Ha, my treads are showing a little wear as well--though mostly from a few decades of backcountry fly fishing.:) Speaking of Porter and printing, here's an interesting video if you've not seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CslJoMRd1es. I've only encountered his work in books (though I understand the fidelity of those were pretty good)--rummaging around that era's C-prints must be a treat indeed.
Otherwise, I very much appreciate you sharing what you've brought back from your encounters--I've done only the most rudimentary color work, but the color palette of the "graybacks" with Velvia has me thinking...
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Listen - is this worth calling me out? Are you the police of this forum, is this the biggest problem you have to solve in your life: what category I'm writing under? For God's sake, I'm disgusted with that kind of pettiness. How about if I don't post anymore, and cancel my subscription? Then you can be sure I don't break any more of your important rules. Good?
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An example of an image (Dunes, Stovepipe Wells) where, for me..."extreme" back movements were crucial for my interpretation of this scene:
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Another example (Yucca Pods, White Sands), but this time...absolutely no movements were used:
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Love the dunes image, John! And, yes, a perfect example of where extreme back movements really helps image presentation, IMO (and yours, too, apparently.)
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An example of an image (Dunes, Stovepipe Wells) where, for me..."extreme" back movements were crucial for my interpretation of this scene:
Attachment 210656
Another example (Yucca Pods, White Sands), but this time...absolutely no movements were used:
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The dunes image is wonderful, but since I don't know the scene, what movement did you use and for what effect? Who knows, maybe I'll learn something.
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Listen - is this worth calling me out? Are you the police of this forum, is this the biggest problem you have to solve in your life: what category I'm writing under? For God's sake, I'm disgusted with that kind of pettiness. How about if I don't post anymore, and cancel my subscription? Then you can be sure I don't break any more of your important rules. Good?
Cool your jets. It was a gentle reminder to a new member and while true, it was not a 'calling out'. To keep the LFPF a well-oiled machine, there are rules and procedures that help to keep it so. Thank you for your participation.
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The dunes image is wonderful, but since I don't know the scene, what movement did you use and for what effect? Who knows, maybe I'll learn something.
Ditto. I'm guessing forward tilt on the back? That's just a guess, I'd like to know to to be sure.
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...backward base tilt on the back (similar to forward front tilt, except for little field displacement vs. front tilt) - pretty much essential as I was using a 90mm lens which is marginal for 5x7 with movements, and needed to preserve what coverage I had available (front tilts move available field relative to film, rear tilts not so much) . The price of course (for this back tilt) is a bit more perspective distortion, but not overtly distracting in this case. Other data...orange filter, PMK Pyro. Light was fading so fast that I was only able to obtain one image...glad it worked! Actually, there is a bit of blur in the extreme upper left (had to work quickly, also exhausted from having sprinted two miles with gear to get here in time)...unfortunate as this has, so far, limited me to printing this to 30x40 - whereas if it were sharp overall, I'd love to go to 40x60! Will likely do this (40x60) anyway...just because!
Gotta admit that my previous post was a bit political...in defense of staying true to ourselves and not ascribing to others generalizations. Just sayin! :)
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...backward base tilt on the back (similar to forward front tilt, except for little field displacement vs. front tilt) - pretty much essential as I was using a 90mm lens which is marginal for 5x7 with movements, and needed to preserve what coverage I had available (front tilts move available field relative to film, rear tilts not so much) . The price of course (for this back tilt) is a bit more perspective distortion, but not overtly distracting in this case. Other data...orange filter, PMK Pyro. Light was fading so fast that I was only able to obtain one image...glad it worked! Actually, there is a bit of blur in the extreme upper left (had to work quickly, also exhausted from having sprinted two miles with gear to get here in time)...unfortunate as this has, so far, limited me to printing this to 30x40 - whereas if it were sharp overall, I'd love to go to 40x60! Will likely do this (40x60) anyway...just because!
Gotta admit that my previous post was a bit political...in defense of staying true to ourselves and not ascribing to others generalizations. Just sayin! :)
Thanks for sharing your thought process. Every bit helps me get my best results out in the field.