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I don't understand why many people change their listing once the item is sold and delete the price.
I mean, I used to look at the prices of things sold to get an idea. I simply don't get the reason one should delete the price.
What's the general consensus?
Sellers may not want people to know their final selling price was lower than their original asking price.
2 issues
IRS
price fixing
IRS or tax inspection of any kind is not a problem leaving price tag on the listing if listing is just closed with separate announcement. Listing closure does not mean sale evidence.
In the contrary if the listing marked “sold” it shows potential income.
I have no idea why this habit so spread.
irs agents are members here ? if that's the case im surprised people from the EPA aren't here arresting people for dumping toxic pollutants down the drain..
I think people just delete things because they want to, seeing eBay "completed auctions" gives a better, broader view of what things sell for ..
Good question that probably has a multitude of answers. For me, though, it would be just as good if the closed listings were deleted and only active listings were shown. Knowing sales history has some value but for the most part it’s a matter of willingness to pay the price based on todays ask… or not.
It certainly does. Years ago we did not have this most valuable guide to actual values of the items we wanted to sell online or elsewhere. That's about the only reason I have for visiting ebay anymore. LFPT is a much more trusted market.Quote:
Originally Posted by jnantz
Current snapshot only - eBay deletes completed auctions after a relatively short period, I think it's 90 days now. For auctions further back, realized prices can still be found on sellers' Feedback pages but the full listings are no longer available, so there's no way to judge condition or other details that could affect willingness to pay. And even for the realized prices there's no way to search all seller Feedback pages for a particular item, so compiling a price history for a particular item would be impractical anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by jnantz
You do realise that this is an international forum, don’t you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Can
Maybe because if your not the seller or buyer it is none of your business.
Duh
I have bought and sold all over the world except AF\Frica, AustralIA
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Originally Posted by Lachlan 717
eXACTLY
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Originally Posted by gypsydog
bizarre point of view, we're on an internet forum accessible to anyone, not exactly what you would call private sphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsydog
also, it is everyone's business until the ad is active and then it becomes a violation of privacy?
You may strart
We want pictures too, dates, condition
WHY DID YOU SELL?
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Originally Posted by Andrea Gazzoni
An innocent and valid question
Thread spinning out of control
Par for the course.
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Actually no, the for sale forum is not open to everyone. The fact that it is the internet does NOT make everything everyones business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea Gazzoni
Ad is public. Negotiations are private. Shouldn't the seller respect the buyer's negotiated price?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea Gazzoni
no one has said negotiated price must be declared. the question is why remove the asking price.
also, how a buyer can be offended or not respected when no one knows who is the buyer? replies to FS ads are not allowed.
If the seller removes the original asking price, then there's no doubt that the item is no longer for sale. It may not be obvious that an item is already sold at first glance, and this may lead to unwanted private messages to the seller. The alternative would be to remove the ad entirely, which may not be desirable either, for historical interest.
...or simply adding "sold" to the listing?Quote:
Originally Posted by sharktooth
It's a polite way of saying the discussion is over. If it just says "sold", people are going to be asking if it sold for the asked for price, or something lower/higher, and this could go on for years. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea Gazzoni
I've witnessed this. I remove a listing once it's sold, to prevent this.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharktooth
Many sellers fail to use the "Close This Thread" function under the "Go Advanced" link in the FS subforum.
You do know that we (the rest of the world) don’t have “IRS”, don’t you..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Can
(We do get IBS from parochial assumptions, though)
The buyer may wish to resell it and not want what they paid for it published.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea Gazzoni
Does anyone know what eBay does? Do they list the final selling price assuming it was negotiated lower?
I have generally understood that the forum and its FS listings are not designed as a means of determining values of items, as indicated in the prohibition on "Equipment Value Questions" as stated in the forum FAQ.
If the seller wishes to delete the asking price, that is his prerogative. There is no obligation to leave asking prices so someone else can later use the information for their own purposes. This forum is not a blue book of camera values.
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Originally Posted by Lachlan 717
Good question. What is being covered up?Quote:
why they remove the price after an item is sold ?
I guess I'd not buy from them. Perhaps already on my ignore list anyway as I'm not seeing it much.
IDK I figure if I am selling a 14" Verito today do I really care about too far back? maybe that's just me. I figure yesterday's gone .. I can't buy leaded gas for 65 cents, a pack of butts for 50 cents, a 3 penny nickel for a dollar or a Verito lens for 3bucks ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Oren Grad
There are advantages for both the seller and buyer to eliminate the original price posted and the final sale prices:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pieter
Sellers may drop their price let's say 25% in private negotiations for a specific item. If they have other things they're selling, other buyers will think they can also offer 25% less for the other items. A seller may get a reputation for inflating their original prices for other things later even if he doesn't.
Buyers may become sellers of the same item if they decide not to keep it. They don't want the price they paid or originally advertised known.
I've noticed (since I am late to most For Sale posts due to geographical reasons) that, when an item is sold, the seller deletes de price.
Just thought it would be a great to keep those prices online for future reference.
I was recently wanting to buy a Fuji GA645 and was shocked to see how little they went for 10 years ago.
Well, just a suggestion. Not sure where to post this.
Happy rest of the week!
Threads merged.
Apologies Oren, I didn’t see this thread before posting mine.
I think of lfpf as a great source of knowledge. Price of products is in my opinion a great piece of information.
In my time here
Prices of gear has varied greatly
The value also varies
Private sales are best
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Originally Posted by Ramiro Elena
I don't care if you delete the selling price of your filmholders or your 150mm Symmar-S. I do care if you delete prices of rare lenses. There are few non-paying ways to check prices of a lens that sells once every few years. Leaving the price up allows both the potential seller and potential buyer get a feeling for the value of the item.
I don't either, what is the harm in marking the item as sold in big letters but leaving up the original asking price? That is what I do so others can glean what to sell or buy an item at to a certain degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea Gazzoni
In the days of old, at swap meets
STUFF moved fast, often before the event opened
only cash
then resold maybe 3 times just after the early sale
money men chained to cases of cash
and guns
here we are allowed to complain IF NEEDED
stop whining
For the same reason forum members seem to not post full serial numbers? Bugs me when I see something like Serial No. 9837785XXX
Consider this. You list something here for $X and list it on eBay for $X plus the anticipated sales fee and PayPay fee. If it sells on eBay, the buyer pays that higher price plus sales tax. It could be awkward if somehow they come across that item on the Forum for significantly less.
Just sayin’…
There is no forum rule about removing or leaving the asking price, so as with many things it comes down to individual choice. I choose to leave the price info there after the sale, and I appreciate seeing older posts with selling prices when they are available, but that is still no guarantee or predictor for a current selling price.
I don't understand that, either. Posting serial numbers on this forum is quite a good idea for an owner, in fact. If equipment ever gets lost / stolen at least they'll be able to find the serial number in an old post to report to the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg
Serial # may not be useful
Many hands lost the thief
Inflation is real
NOS in box with warranty is a real thing
No its not a good idea, think of serial numbers like your ss# do you post that on the forum? Write the numbers down (and or photograph them) and keep in a safe place for insurance and law enforcement purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by pjd
Why do you think it's not a good idea? If someone can explain why I might change my mind, but there must be a reason. A lens or camera SN is not a social security ID, it's not permanently connected to my identity. I do have things written down, but things get lost, destroyed in fires / floods unfortunately. Backups aren't a bad idea. Also old online posts can be useful when trying to prove to a loss adjuster that you really did own / use something, even that it has significant replacement value.Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsydog
About the main point of deleting prices from sold listings, I don't see the benefit to anyone (including seller), but maybe some sellers could say why they do this to clear this up. They don't have to, and can continue to delete prices if they wish, of course. I generally notice it when I see a listing late, and end up wondering how much whatever it was cost.
Kumar always deletes the price and often the whole listing. I find that a negative and have not purchased from him.
Could the details in the for sale ads in the classifieds be kept after a transaction has been made?
It's a good resource to see trading trends for both buyers and sellers yet I see many ads have details such as the asking price removed or the ad completely deleted after a transaction.
As a Forum, we are not going to impose any requirement in this respect. It's up to the OP in each case to decide how they want to handle the post after a transaction has closed or an item has been withdrawn.