See post number 16: http://www.apug.org/forum/index.php?...in-4x5.142983/
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David
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See post number 16: http://www.apug.org/forum/index.php?...in-4x5.142983/
Note that this information is shown to come from Kodak Alaris.
David
I just saw this over there...Great for low volume users I suppose, for the rest, a real pain in the neck. More boxes to deal with, and undoubtedly a higher cost.
I cannot fathom the rationale for such a pitiful quantity-per-box. At 10-per I think they make more money on the box than the contained film.
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They can sell more boxes of film this way.
10 per box is dumb.
Seems like they could fit 20 or more sheets no problem.
At least you come out even on your holders. I always wish Ilford sold 26 sheet boxes instead of 25 five sheet boxes! I guess I should not complain. Ten sheet boxes seems not only annoying, but wasteful.
As long as there is going to be a change, why not go back to the old way of 12, 24 and 144?
Tonight, Keith Canham mentioned that, while Kodak is changing its standard catalog item size to 10 sheets for 4x5, he's been told he'll still be able to special order 50-sheet boxes. So, if any large volume users are really annoyed by the smaller quantity per box, they need only get together the minimum quantity and have Keith place an order with Kodak for them.
They've only sold 10 sheet boxes of color film for years, so the only thing that surprises me is that they were still selling larger boxes of B&W.
Well I have been buying 100 sheet boxes for some time now, certainly the best way to go. The boxes contain 4 x 25 sheet packets, which are inside the normal plastic bag and in-between the folded cardboard that are standard in the Ilford 25 sheet box.
http://www.badgergraphic.com/opencar...product_id=621
As far as I know, only the USA has these 100 sheet boxes. I was told in Australia that Ilford didn't make anything over 25 sheet boxes, although they did go a bit silent (when in the store) when I gave them a link to a USA site with the 100 sheet boxes at about 43% of the Australian cost of Ilford 4x5" film on a per sheet basis.
Mick.
time to buy up the stock 50-sheet boxes now while they are available.
The big "head slapper" would be going to buy film, and being told they only have 10 sheet boxes available, so paying more and having to buy 10 boxes for 100 sheets, etc... :-(
Steve K
Even I, a very casual 4x5 user, see 10 sheet boxes as ridiculous (except for when I want to try out a new emulsion). I have to wonder if the person who thought this up did any real research on 4x5 film usage. I think its a desperate move to save money in the short term to the detriment of the longer term. But - assuming the price per sheet rises significantly in 10 sheet boxes - I expect an immediate decline in sales.
I'd imagine they would, if you could come up with enough people prepared to pay for them.
Maybe they've actually done some market research and found that a price point around that of a 5-roll 120 pro pack might actually improve sales? I suspect the C41 4x5s outsell the BW 4x5s by some margin.
Personally I have been put off trying Kodak's black and white emulsions because I'd have to put down £100+ for a box and would be stuck with lots of film if I didn't like it. Having said that 10 sheets isn't enough, 20 or 25 is a much better number for the casual user.
The only upside is users will have lots of extra 4x5 boxes.
Clearly, Kodak's target market is students, and people who try large format for a day, shoot two film holders (forget to remove darkslide on one exposure, another double-exposed), and drop the idea immediately thereafter.
I suspect one of the reasons is that a new user would think hey it's not that expensive..... If course it is only 10 sheets.
Now all the 4x5 tmy2 at BH is backordered. People preparing for the zombie apocalypse.
This is great news for the box manufacturers!
Kids trying to use sheet film.....don't buy 50 sheet boxes of film. I'm mentoring two youngsters (23ish) in 4x5 and they would rather shoot 120mm or 35mm because of the cost. The 10 sheet box of 4x5 may serve them well.......
Don
While I find this move to 10-sheet boxes somewhat exasperating...I do wonder if the associated logistical hassle and (assumed) associated cost increase would tend to encourage a more careful/thoughtful approach?
I think this is probably welcome news at Ilford (who still have the good sense to sell film in reasonable quantities). Their sales should show an uptick shortly.
If they were the only game in town. I suspect the reality is that people will see a Kodak box of 10 and an Ilford box of 25 for similar cost and know they are both good and buy the Ilford. They might see it as a cult choice, sort of like Apple but younger people drink the Apple koolaid, and the old duffers drink the tri-x or tmax Koolaid.
If people want to try tmax400 or any film out, it seems practical to try it in smaller sizes like MF and if you like it, then buy more of it in different sizes such as LF. If they offered more than one box size like Ilford that would be easily understood.
Really, I don't understand why Kodak have a similar pricing than Ilford with rolls while in the LF arena they are so expensive...
Is 10 sheets box a way to hide another price increase ?
The reality is that Kodak is comming from another level and they don't know how to deal with present market challenges.
In fact they are discouraging new film photographers to use their LF products.
Is 10 sheets box a way to hide another price increase ?
Yes. That's all it is, IMO. Kodak yet again inadvertantly (or advertantly) trying to force itself out of the market. They can blame the resulting poor sales when nobody wants to spend more money for more cardboard and less film. Perhaps they foolishly think well, people are still buying Ektar and Portra, lets do that with black and white! But there are few if any other options for large format color negatives. They may not know other companies make black and white sheet film...
I just hope Ilford has the sense not to follow suit. I stopped buying Kodak B&W a long time ago.
I stopped using Tmax a while ago because I could no longer bring myself to spend nearly twice the money (over Ilford) for film. These new 10 sheet boxes won't do anything but drive that per sheet price even higher. I've also been trending away from Kodak's darkroom chemistry lately because a lot of their products now only come packaged in larger quantities that are not convenient for my level of usage. Kodak seems to be finding new and exciting ways of driving away business. This should work out well.
and Kodak announced they wanna bring back Ektachrome in 135 format.
probably with 10 exposures pro roll
haha
they are nuts
They only had one foot remaining to shoot, this is it. As long as it's available, don't complain.
It's a lot better than nothing... wouldn't you agree?
I disagree. In my opinion, Ilfochrome's absurdly high contrast and surface gloss are better off gone. Kodak couldn't "bring it back" anyway. What Kodak could bring back are Carousel projectors, enabling the highest, best use of 35mm transparency images. Then: Ektachrome in 120. It could be displayed using these currently available medium format projectors:
I would, but many who know the price of all things and the value of none, take pleasure in knocking Kodak and can't see the advantages of some Kodak products for certain applications don't. They'd rather Bldg. 38 disappeared and Kodak film went with it. Sad.
I'm afraid that the new commitment of Kodak is only to increase film price!
Other manufacturers are usually follow that even if they have a bigger market share.
BTW, the old Kodak commitment is to keep the film alive.
Um, you can't disagree that slide film does me no good without a way to print it. I understand you weren't very good at it lol :p and I know Kodak didn't make Ilfochrome (need hammer hitting head emoji here). I am enjoying RA-4 but I could still make good use of pos-pos material. I think Kodak is about as likely to bring that back as projectors.
My Uncle tells me that a few decades ago you could buy Kodak sheet film in 4x5 in 10 sheet boxes. Many did so to test new films so they did not have to buy 50 sheets at a time just to try some.
Is this the only size box Kodak will be selling?
Hey! Y'all best behave or Mr. Kodak will cut ya down to 5-per-box.
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I was in the 8th grade in 1978.......that was 15 years before......I dove in to large format photography... my first box of film was a 10 sheets box of Fuji Velvia ISO 50. I still have the camera and one of the chromes from that box today............I am ok, with the 10 sheet box of film.....