Re: Spot metering reversal/E6 films (Velvia, Provia, etc) films for twilight cityscap
Evening light which contains a mix of various kinds of artificial light can be challenging; and longer exposures potentially introduce reciprocity failure factors. All I can say is, experiment with a 35mm roll first under analogous conditions. Zone System talk is of little value in color photography, especially under these circumstances. I just so much easier to just go do it, and then recalibrate from there in relation to large format work. Just remember that smaller working apertures lead to longer exposures, so factor that into your tests to begin with.
Since Velvia has so little latitude, I probably wouldn't shoot that unless you're already quite confident with it. But it can work wonders in softer light.
Re: Spot metering reversal/E6 films (Velvia, Provia, etc) films for twilight cityscap
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bdkphoto
You spend too much time believing internet twaddle. The only thing you are doing here is showing your ignorance. Your questions have been answered here by people who have far more experience and success than you. Its time for you to stop trolling.
If you've reached the limits of your skills and expertise in this discussion, it's time for you to stop commenting rather than resorting to insults and excrement-flinging.
Re: Spot metering reversal/E6 films (Velvia, Provia, etc) films for twilight cityscap
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Originally Posted by
Drew Wiley
Evening light which contains a mix of various kinds of artificial light can be challenging; and longer exposures potentially introduce reciprocity failure factors. All I can say is, experiment with a 35mm roll first under analogous conditions. Zone System talk is of little value in color photography, especially under these circumstances. I just so much easier to just go do it, and then recalibrate from there in relation to large format work. Just remember that smaller working apertures lead to longer exposures, so factor that into your tests to begin with.
Since Velvia has so little latitude, I probably wouldn't shoot that unless you're already quite confident with it. But it can work wonders in softer light.
All the challenges you describe are very real, and indeed are many of the reasons I started this thread. If Velvia wasn't so unforgiving then I wouldn't be so focused on accuracy and precision in metering!
Re: Spot metering reversal/E6 films (Velvia, Provia, etc) films for twilight cityscap
In case anyone is actually using DSLRs for metering, DXOMark publishes lens transmission tests. For example the Canon 24-70/2.8 has a transmission (T-stop) rating of 3.5 wide open:
https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Canon...OS-5DS-R__1009
So if you are metering with a 24-70/2.8, add 2/3 stop to what the camera meter tells you (in addition to any sensor ISO correction factor).
Re: Spot metering reversal/E6 films (Velvia, Provia, etc) films for twilight cityscap
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Originally Posted by
spotless_camera
In case anyone is actually using DSLRs for metering, DXOMark publishes lens transmission tests. For example the Canon 24-70/2.8 has a transmission (T-stop) rating of 3.5 wide open:
https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Canon...OS-5DS-R__1009
So if you are metering with a 24-70/2.8, add 2/3 stop to what the camera meter tells you (in addition to any sensor ISO correction factor).
There is a very simple reason this is incorrect - I'm sure with a little thought you can figure it out.
Re: Spot metering reversal/E6 films (Velvia, Provia, etc) films for twilight cityscap
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Originally Posted by
bdkphoto
There is a very simple reason this is incorrect - I'm sure with a little thought you can figure it out.
Ah, sorry, my error -- that should be "reduce" and not "add" 2/3 stop. The exposure reading given by the camera is 2/3 stop too high due to losses in the lens.
This is why juggling a dozen correction factors in the field is a bad idea!
Re: Spot metering reversal/E6 films (Velvia, Provia, etc) films for twilight cityscap
Honestly, if I had thought about metering the way Mr. Spotless does, I’d have turned around, hugged my light meter goodbye, and taken up knitting instead.:rolleyes:
Re: Spot metering reversal/E6 films (Velvia, Provia, etc) films for twilight cityscap
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spotless_camera
Ah, sorry, my error -- that should be "reduce" and not "add" 2/3 stop. The exposure reading given by the camera is 2/3 stop too high due to losses in the lens.
This is why juggling a dozen correction factors in the field is a bad idea!
Still wrong
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Re: Spot metering reversal/E6 films (Velvia, Provia, etc) films for twilight cityscap
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Originally Posted by
Drew Wiley
Evening light which contains a mix of various kinds of artificial light can be challenging; and longer exposures potentially introduce reciprocity failure factors. All I can say is, experiment with a 35mm roll first under analogous conditions. Zone System talk is of little value in color photography, especially under these circumstances. I just so much easier to just go do it, and then recalibrate from there in relation to large format work. Just remember that smaller working apertures lead to longer exposures, so factor that into your tests to begin with.
Since Velvia has so little latitude, I probably wouldn't shoot that unless you're already quite confident with it. But it can work wonders in softer light.
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Power plant on Fujichrome Provia 100 4"x5", just a UV filter (what else?) on the Symmar-S 150mm and "a mix of various of artificial light...".
Re: Spot metering reversal/E6 films (Velvia, Provia, etc) films for twilight cityscap
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phdgent
Attachment 259751
Power plant on Fujichrome Provia 100 4"x5", just a UV filter (what else?) on the Symmar-S 150mm and "a mix of various of artificial light...".
Not bad. How did you meter it?
