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Oh, I probably have enough lenses for the duration. I've sold all my duplicate lenses, and will eventually have to start selling heavier gear, but I'm still in plenty good shape to at least day hike with 8x10. Same with shop equipment - keep just what I need for home remodeling and darkroom design, but it's the best. I used to own extra tools when I still owned mountain property, so realistically needed duplicate sets, plus different kinds of things; but I've been selling off the extra stuff for sake of my photography fund. I'd really like to get an Esterly Speedmat cutter. I have a decent linear cutter, but my hands were getting ruined by computers and I could hardly use the thing. But now that I'm retired, my hands are a lot better, so I'm not in a rush. I also generate extra cash from my cabinet shop equipment, but don't know if I want to start making my own portfolios boxes. They'd certainly look nice and custom, but wouldn't really be any cheaper than manufactured museum cases. My big flat files are custom made.
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The problem with that, Pfor, is that a lot of ULF folks make rather, er, ...(trying not to offend anyone), creative rather than crisp shots which objectively present the capability of the lens. And this would have to be done on an optical bench basis rather than using a conventional film holder in which the film tends to sag. In other words, the capability of the lens itself has to be isolated from other variables. But since there's a used on up for sale at Catlabs, somebody must have tried it first, and it could be backtracked that way. But one or two lens users out there somewhere (maybe) does not equal the manifold testimonial of Fuji 600C users.
Why don’t you post some images, taken with your Fujinon, from where you sit in your Ivory tower?
Your pomposity is breathtaking...
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Prints are not the same things as a web posting. I'm not trying to be impolite, but I don't even own a digital camera, my copystand is dismantled, and I no longer maintain a website. Web surfers don't do me any good. Every single print I've ever sold in my life was sold because someone saw it in person. I'm not in an ivory tower whatsover. There are more kinds of people interested in photography than just forum members. I have a major body of work and that is what I concentrate on. It's fun and often informative to engage in this kind of forum, but that's not the objective of my darkroom work. If you can't accept that fact, you might as well reject the work of every generation of photography prior to the introduction of the web - the whole 150+ years of it. I'm not against visually posting things - I just have other priorities. The mere fact you ask for visual comparisons of ULF lens A versus lens B in a web version pretty much defeats the whole point. It's like trying to saw down a three-foot diameter oak tree with a fingernail file. You might argue that that's just how its done today. Says who? If you want to be limited by that, fine. I have my own parameters.
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Images via the web can never reveal or express what the print can do in real life under the proper lighting and viewing conditions.
Some years ago at a LF print sharing event. One of the participants share a print with me. Reply, digital B&W print with too much post process sharpening and more. Turns out, this was a digital B&W print that was film based lens aperture of f90, scanned then post digital processed to make a digital print.
For those who know precisely what to look for and what a GOOD silver gelatin print can be under the proper lighting and viewing conditions, these SG prints are magic. The magic of excellent SG prints can NEVER be view as a web based image. It starts with the digital process, then electronic transmission, then viewer limitations and a LOT more.
What does this mean for individual who have never had the real world experience of knowing, seeing and appreciating what a excellent Silver Gelatin print could be.. their point of reference and deeper understanding, deeper appreciation of what is possible with SG has not good point of reference.
Much the same applies to high quality color prints from the past like Ciba-Ilford chrome prints done as good as they could be.
Here lies the most significant and serious problem with image sharing via electronic transmission, it can never be as good as the analog original. Trying to make judgement based on electronic transmitted film based-analog prints is pure folly as it can only present a highly processed version of the original.
Bernice
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You’ve missed that I was referring to you unwavering reverence towards the Fujinon, regardless of whether this is a good lens or not.
You’ve decided already that it’s not up to YOUR standard, dismissing the possibility that it might be comparatively as good, let alone better, than the Fujinon.
The point of the presentation of the mobile phone mast was to take a step forward - that being, does the lens show some degree of quality of imaging. It was not to be the critical decider; more just a confirmation that this lens needs further investigation.
And, by the way, your claims about your body of work and selling prints are basically inconsequential to this discussion. You opinion is simply one of many, regardless of whether you claim it as fact or not.
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Much more useful than this quibbling would be to hear an actual witness of the quality of this lens. I've heard (was it on this forum or elsewhere?) that there are tons of LF or even ULF users in China - isn't there anyone who would find its way to this forum to proudly announce its personal testimony about the lens? Not even one who uses this lens? Did they all go underground with their knowledge? Isn't there anyone from our Chinese members who could bring us the news? I wonder.
Pierre has one and posted in this thread...
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Pierre said he owns the S600 and showed us 2 pictures (one taken on a hazy day of a very dusty scene). Hardly witnessing the actual lens quality though. A more serious approach would be better.
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Pierre said he owns the S600 and showed us 2 pictures (one taken on a hazy day of a very dusty scene). Hardly witnessing the actual lens quality though. A more serious approach would be better.
Three
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You mean, you also count the one about which you don't know if it was taken with 600 A or with S 600? How kind and useful of you!
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I have been taking apart the shutter of a Fuji GX680 lens. It is a weird combination of a motor to tension the spring and some electronics (sadly in the body) the set the speed. Selecting the speed is just a digital coded switch. Should continue with that project one day.
But a small cpu and the motor as used for the diaphragm of almost all AF lenses would be easier. The hard part is the mechanics, not the electronics.
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I have been taking apart the shutter of a Fuji GX680 lens. It is a weird combination of a motor to tension the spring and some electronics (sadly in the body) the set the speed. Selecting the speed is just a digital coded switch. Should continue with that project one day.
But a small cpu and the motor as used for the diaphragm of almost all AF lenses would be easier. The hard part is the mechanics, not the electronics.
Okay?
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Sorry, started reading the thread and reacted to something in the beginning forgetting there were a lot of other pages... Just forget. Lousy week.
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...and don't forget Chamonix. :)
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No guild or family cabinet shop making wood cameras, no matter how nice, is analogous to lens manufacture, which is a high-tech enterprise. So please stop citing these examples. They're irrelevant. It's like trying to compare the quality of a hand-forged Japanese chisel or sword to a Smart phone. There are also often international collaborations in such undertakings, both financially and technologically. The one kind of equipment I never alter are lenses. I have neither the knowledge, equipment, or funding. The only lens manufacturer in this town has a budget running in the billions, and they're full of trade secrets, and serve secret surveillance and military clients. Everyone know they specialize in aspherics, but so what - it's like imagining you can build a Ferrari because you know it uses wheels ! On the other hand, if I were younger and had the will, I could very well set up a small high-quality field camera manufacturing base of my own, with limited output. In fact, in this day and age, you could even acquire much of the basic tooling for the cost of a single pre-made ULF camera! A completely different business model, with a completely different skill set. And nobody like me is "automatically assuming" anything about the particular lens in question. But having spent many millions of dollars of other peoples money in the trenches, and having to win far more often than you lose, if you're going to stay in business, I can legitimately point out some potential minefields worth investigating before you blithely mosey through them.
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No guild or family cabinet shop making wood cameras, no matter how nice, is analogous to lens manufacture, which is a high-tech enterprise. So please stop citing these examples. They're irrelevant. It's like ... (insert full rant here)
These examples?
Chamonix is a singular example. You mean, "Please stop citing this example." And this is the first time Chamonix has been brought up in this thread, so may you should say, "Please don't cite this example."
The example of Venus Optics on the other hand, you're conveniently silent on. They make excellent lenses.
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And nobody like me is "automatically assuming" anything about the particular lens in question. But having spent many millions of dollars of other peoples money in the trenches, and having to win far more often than you lose, if you're going to stay in business, I can legitimately point out some potential minefields worth investigating before you blithely mosey through them.
The thing about an automatic assumption is that it is of the kind you make without realizing you're making it. And you're doing it again here...in a very, very condescending manner, at that.
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Suit yourself. Talk comes cheap. I've successfully set up repetitive successful dealership arrangements involving many millions of dollars which had to inherently take into account this very kind of question. I've also been a supplier of certain commodities and quite a variety of specialized equipment and sealant to both lens makers, highly specialized govt, university, and hi-tech enterprises, and some very expensive cabinet shops whose could no doubt crank out exquisite cameras if that kind of thing were even remotely capable of paying their bills. I do not pretend to be an optical engineer, but have long specialized in asking specific answers and demanding honest answers, and have had numerous conversations with optical engineers of all kinds of things right up to the Hubble corrective lenses, which I was a minor contributor to as a sealant supplier. So if I sound condescending, sorry, but that's in your head, not mine. I'm not putting down anyone's favorite camera or lens, or the people who made them. I happen to use a Phillips 8x10 and think that the Chamonix is a worthy replacement - and they copied his design by permission, not piracy, which is another plus. I also know, probably way more specifically than any one else on this forum, just how good the Chinese are at making utter junk that actually looks good. I have no reason to see what motive there would be to do that in this case, with such a relatively limited market for something; but I've seen that scenario before too. Sorry if simple statements like these are controversial to some of you. In my line of work they were "sink or swim" common sense, and I would think people would be appreciative rather than irritated at me stating them. But it's potentially your money and not mine, so think and do anything you please. It's your right. It's also my right to
give an opinion of my own, which is indeed entirely tentative; but that is the nature of circumstances with an unknown product. Like I already said, any new kid on the block has to work a lot harder to get his foot in the door, if
they're even contemplating distribution in the Western world. It's just how its done. Skepticism had to be met with hard experience justifying this or that new product. This is allegedly a "professional" item, not some goofy next
generation cell phone camera. So tough questions are inherently involved. Do you go out and buy a brand of car you never heard of just because they have a good website? Car dealers at least allow you a test drive. Likewise,
serious manufacturers trying to introduce their products in this country not only allowed me to test them, but often outright gave me equipment to run through the gamut. And I did test such things in real world applications, and
often even dissected equipment in our own repair facility to find out what kind of quality parts were inside. I spoke to the original engineers. It spelled their success, not just mine.
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Suit yourself. Talk comes cheap. I've successfully set up repetitive successful dealership arrangements involving many millions of dollars which had to inherently take into account this very kind of question. I've also been a supplier of certain commodities and quite a variety of specialized equipment and sealant to both lens makers, highly specialized govt, university, and hi-tech enterprises, and some very expensive cabinet shops whose could no doubt crank out exquisite cameras if that kind of thing were even remotely capable of paying their bills. I do not pretend to be an optical engineer, but have long specialized in asking specific answers and demanding honest answers, and have had numerous conversations with optical engineers of all kinds of things right up to the Hubble corrective lenses, which I was a minor contributor to as a sealant supplier. So if I sound condescending, sorry, but that's in your head, not mine. I'm not putting down anyone's favorite camera or lens, or the people who made them. I happen to use a Phillips 8x10 and think that the Chamonix is a worthy replacement - and they copied his design by permission, not piracy, which is another plus. I also know, probably way more specifically than any one else on this forum, just how good the Chinese are at making utter junk that actually looks good. I have no reason to see what motive there would be to do that in this case, with such a relatively limited market for something; but I've seen that scenario before too. Sorry if simple statements like these are controversial to some of you. In my line of work they were "sink or swim" common sense, and I would think people would be appreciative rather than irritated at me stating them. But it's potentially your money and not mine, so think and do anything you please. It's your right. It's also my right to
give an opinion of my own, which is indeed entirely tentative; but that is the nature of circumstances with an unknown product. Like I already said, any new kid on the block has to work a lot harder to get his foot in the door, if
they're even contemplating distribution in the Western world. It's just how its done. Skepticism had to be met with hard experience justifying this or that new product. This is allegedly a "professional" item, not some goofy next
generation cell phone camera. So tough questions are inherently involved. Do you go out and buy a brand of car you never heard of just because they have a good website? Car dealers at least allow you a test drive.
While we were the USA Rollei distributor Rollei introduced the 6008 system with their linear motor lenses for shutter and aperture.
Just after we returned from Photokina I received a fax from a factory in China telling me that if I would sell them a camera they would copy it and sell them to us at a “very good” price! We turned them down.
But a year or two earlier I received a call from someone that wanted to buy a “map” camera. As we were the Linhof distributor I had thought they were looking for the 45 Linhof Aero Technika EL and made an appointment to meet them at our office to give them a demo.
At the appointment several Chinese gentlemen showed up, including a high ranking guy in uniform. One spoke very good English.
I brought out our demo Aero outfit and after a rather furious discussion in Chinese I was informed that they were looking for a system to copy maps!
So I brought out a Rollei 6006 MK lol and a 120 Zeiss macro and bellows and extension tubes. We then set up a map that they brought and started to set up various magnifications looking at the map. They then decided to buy a few outfits with the tubes and bellows.
Then they wanted to see if we could blow up a portion of an image so out came a Rollei 66 slide projector and various lenses that we ended up projecting images onto a screen two rooms away from the projector. They also ordered a few of these.
Next day we received a PO from the Chinese embassy.
Always wondered exactly what they were doing!
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Well, you've been in the trenches yourself, Bob, so can appreciate where I'm coming from. Just between posts I got a phone call from the husband of the woman who heads the Business School at the University of Beijing, which is actually an adjunct of the Calif University system. The tentacles sometimes interweave in very complex ways. Most Chinese now speak English. It's a mandatory second language for many in China. On the other hand, when I dealt with the Japanese, the whole problem can be summed up in the title of that comedy movie, Lost in translations. Interpreters, plus interpreters for interpreters, involving technical language the engineers understood. Working with German engineers and CEO's was a delight. Most US CEO's were too busy greasing their own palms to care bothering with facts, though that was mainly an affliction of publicly-traded corporations, not private ones. We had salesmen in China for awhile, but they went in rather naive to the structured system of bribery inherent to doing business there, otherwise impenetrable. And bribes come the other way obviously. Just fact. Cottage industries are thankfully too small to make a dent in this respect, so can operate cleanly without attracting attention. They can also provide quality that big industries can't unless they're given commensurate enormous orders to do so. Again, just the way it works. Copying and innovating are really quite different business models. Someone will no doubt react to that statement too; but anyone who personally knows me, knows how much I am involved with Chinese myself, and needs to
understand the difference between an ethnicity and a predominant manufacturing model, one that routinely takes shortcuts unless its given a very specific incentive not to. There are exceptions to every trend or stereotype, of course, and hopefully Chinese mfg will gradually fill in certain things necessary to photography when others have dropped out. But so far, it hasn't gone smoothly. ... But I suspect Oren is just about to intervene and shut the discussion down, and that's fine; he has a job to do too.
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Now you are typing too fast ...
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Well, you've been in the trenches yourself, Bob, so can appreciate where I'm coming from. Just between posts I can a phone call from the husband of the woman who head the Business School at the University of Beijing, which is actually an adjunct of the Calif University system. The tentacles sometimes interweave in very complex ways. Most Chinese now speak English. It's a mandatory second language for many in China. On the other hand, when I dealt with the Japanese, the who problem can be summed up in the title of that comedy movie, Lost in translations. Interpreters, plus interpreters for interpreters, involving technical language the engineers understood. Working with German engineers and CEO's was a delight. Most US CEO's were too busy greasing their own palms to care bothering with facts, though that was mainly an affliction of publicly-traded corporations, not private ones. We had salesmen in China for awhile, but they went in rather naive to structured system of bribery inherent to doing business, otherwise impenetrable. And bribes come the other way obviously. Just fact. Cottage industries are thankfully too small to make a dent in this respect, so can operate cleanly without attracting attention. They can also provide quality that big industries can't unless they're given commensurate enormous orders to do so. Again, just the way it works. Copying and innovating are really quite different business models.
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Hi Randy... yeah, in a hurry to salvage part of the day and get in the lab long enough to size a bunch of drymount tissue. I've been on a drymount marathon, but for a couple days it rained very heavily and raised the humidity too much to make drymounting easy, but now the wind has cleared that out and next week's forecast looks mainly dry. The biggest problem is in Spring when it warms up and steams the soil, causing the most humidity. And this time of year I check on my dessicants and stored-away lenses, like my prized 600C Fuji. I don't often use it, but when I do, it's a wonderful optic. In the context of the present discussion, I'd be embarrassed to say what I paid for it. Let's just say if I sold it now, I'd make a very handsome profit.
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But I suspect Oren is just about to intervene and shut the discussion down, and that's fine; he has a job to do too.
Why do you suggest to stop the interesting discussion?
Every one could choose by himself, as Jim choosed a safer way, I choosed to taste it, someone choosed to look on wait and see, someone choosed to ignore it...
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Drew, If you are so against this lens existing, just don't buy it. Why try to force your opinion on others while shutting down their thoughts? Isn't the LF world big enough for a little competition? Since when is a new product a bad thing?
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Drew, If you are so against this lens existing, just don't buy it. Why try to force your opinion on others while shutting down their thoughts? Isn't the LF world big enough for a little competition? Since when is a new product a bad thing?
Yes, almost every optics manufacturer stopped their lens production for LF and ULF beside of the golden Cooke. I believe we need more options although there are lots of used lenses on the market.
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There's nothing wrong with competition or someone new entering the arena. There is something wrong when there's the impression it's the same thing. It plainly isn't. But it might legitimately fill a very similar niche, which has yet to be proven. But glad someone found the discussion and banter interesting. Sure, I admit I'm playing devil's advocate, but that's part of sorting things out. I don't take web information at face value. It's as misleading as often as not. And if I bother people in this respect, they'd get skinned alive by certain very successful large format photographers not even participating on this forum who discuss their equipment almost like a religion. Some people enjoy that, some don't. No different than outdoor gear, or shop tools, or motorcycles, etc. I like refurbishing classic old enlargers, along with ways to significantly improve their performance, though I think I'm finally done doing that. Other people just want to buy one new and be done with it. I'm not forcing an opinion on anyone. It's a forum, for heaven's sake, where equipment is discussed from potentially different angles of view.
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Pierre, while you're at it - take some more pics with your lens, you don't even need to show them here, and tell us more about your personal experience and results with the lens. It will be as authoritative as any other amateur opinion about it and you can make yourself the position of a first hand informer. How about it? Good luck!
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So the Fujinon C 600mm F11.5 certainly seems to be a cult lens. 210mm Apo-Lanthar was another one of them. Got a chance to try one out back when and it was a really good lens but not worth its inflated price. Opted for a 210mm Nikkor with no regrets. Very seriously considered acquiring a Fujinon C 600mm a few years ago, but then found a mint 508mm f/7 Caltar in an Ilex #5 in mint condition for a mere fraction of the asking price for the 600mm Fujinon. Opted to acquire the slightly shorter 508mm Caltar. Little bit wider than the 600mm Fujinon but really not by all that much in practice. Plus the Caltar projects an image on my GG that looks like it is from a f/5.6 optic on my 8x10. Other alternatives for a Fujinon C 600mm F11.5 out there?
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Other alternatives for a Fujinon C 600mm F11.5 out there?
Kang Rinpoche S 600 F 11.5 (Chinese Fujinon C 600mm).
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.... but it is some Chinese product and I doubt the quality.
Perhaps it is better to buy a cheaper older original Fujinon? It is about $3000 on eBay.
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I had the pleasure of buying some tools in Germany, with the Made in Germany label, for which I paid good money. After the sale, I found out that they were made in China. I then learned that manufacturing in China is very common for everything. They can produce the real deal, and knock off articles.
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No guild or family cabinet shop making wood cameras, no matter how nice, is analogous to lens manufacture, which is a high-tech enterprise. So please stop citing these examples. They're irrelevant. It's like trying to compare the quality of a hand-forged Japanese chisel or sword to a Smart phone. There are also often international collaborations in such undertakings, both financially and technologically. The one kind of equipment I never alter are lenses. I have neither the knowledge, equipment, or funding. The only lens manufacturer in this town has a budget running in the billions, and they're full of trade secrets, and serve secret surveillance and military clients. Everyone know they specialize in aspherics, but so what - it's like imagining you can build a Ferrari because you know it uses wheels ! On the other hand, if I were younger and had the will, I could very well set up a small high-quality field camera manufacturing base of my own, with limited output. In fact, in this day and age, you could even acquire much of the basic tooling for the cost of a single pre-made ULF camera! A completely different business model, with a completely different skill set. And nobody like me is "automatically assuming" anything about the particular lens in question. But having spent many millions of dollars of other peoples money in the trenches, and having to win far more often than you lose, if you're going to stay in business, I can legitimately point out some potential minefields worth investigating before you blithely mosey through them.
The 'relevance' of that post has to do with Chinese quality at least sometimes being quite good. That's what my post was addressing.
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True. And it's unfortunate that if even 1% percent of plot of land contains actual land mines, it still warrants caution. In this case, I don't have any preconception about the specific lens in question, but do point out how nothing presented so far tells us what it really does. A token web posting of alleged sharpness, one brand versus another, might only indicate how a sheet of film happened to randomly lie flatter in one holder versus another. And we know nothing about the color correction of the lens (I use my 600C mainly for
color work); and the degree of color correction indeed affects B&W sharpness vs fringing because colored contrast filters come into play. Most of us can't realistically attend Photokina, and even if we did, it's somewhat of a "trial balloon" venue, testing the wind to
find out if there is market potential for a new product or not.
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I agree with all of the above. I'm only suggesting we express reasonable caution rather than borderline condemnation. I'm sure once a few folks try these optics the reports will trickle through. I won't be an adopter because I can't afford a $2000+ lens. :)
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There will be much more phototechnical(cameras, HQ-lenses)-surprises from asia a trustful source told me. Affordable stuff!
see e.g. Irix(the brand from an HQ-optical company in switzerland which let the stuff be produced in china.
reg. 3s-krpc its not the producer. i asked things about cams he could not answer. its a dealer who is getting some-very little stuff from time to time. e.g. 18° camera-brand. how is the western name called again. it has been discussed here: 4x5 pinhole and rangefindercams from 99-880 usd. pinhole-shutters(each lens has its shutter-not replaceable pinholes!)
There was a shenlong 360 two-lens-rotopancam(120/220 with tilt/shift). ktcamera was at photokina also with liere 6x7 stuff but he forgot to inform the public in advance. now website is gone! I am very upset no informations where to get it again.
yes there will also be digital pancams better than roundshot.
strange-when is search for stuff 3s-krpc should sell: ZERO
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nothing there or hidden. when i click store he has nothing. whats you experience. i seed some stuff but outside store.
strange.
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A Chamonix 20x24? I can see that there must be some demand inside China itself for Hugo to be able to not only start up but grow.
Kent in SD
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I received a KangRinpoche S 600mm f11.5 this week. I have not shot it yet, will be soon.
Here is a first look youtube I made this morning. More later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS8EuPfvVOk
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Randy, it would be really great to know your impressions after you shot with it !!!
In these times, not everyday a new LF lens product is released !
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Pere, you betcha!
Peter, I need a teleprompter, it's on the list...
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Thanks for the intro video, Randy. Looking forward to future videos and your take on results obtained. I've been mulling over a 600mm for my 8x10 Deardorff, but the Fuji C 600 used prices nowadays are simply out of my budget.
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We'll be looking forward to your comparisons!
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Re: Kang Rinpoche S 600 F11.5 (Chinese Fujinon C 600mm )
I am open for suggestions on studio test methods.
Right now I am setting up Horseman triple standard 4X5 Optical Bench with lens hood and will shoot Plastica (mannequin) with printed objects wide open, f22 and beyond.
I will move to 8X10 tomorrow and consider 11X14 the next day.
Be reasonable...:)
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Re: Kang Rinpoche S 600 F11.5 (Chinese Fujinon C 600mm )
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Originally Posted by
Randy Moe
I am open for suggestions on studio test methods.
Since I'm considering this lens for outdoor photography with my 8x10, I'd be most interested in how it performs under those conditions--overcast, bright sun, sun at an angle that could possibly cause flare, etc. But, I'll appreciate any results you post. Thank you.
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Re: Kang Rinpoche S 600 F11.5 (Chinese Fujinon C 600mm )
Thanks for the update, Randy. As you start to shoot with this lens, general impressions are fine. Doing a truly objective lab comparison would be complicated, and mandate vac film holders or aerial image comparisons; and apparently, you're not interested in color performance. The Apo Nikkor is going to be far better corrected, regardless, but obviously way less convenient in the field. Nitpicky sharpness and apochromaticity isn't always a key factor in big film sizes anyway. And you don't have an original Fuji 600C to compare with, so no need to fuss about that question. Looks like the same shutter that was used for the Nikkor 450 M's. Have fun!
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Re: Kang Rinpoche S 600 F11.5 (Chinese Fujinon C 600mm )
Shot the KangRinpoche S600 f 11.5 last night and processed the film in my first usage of my new darkroom. It's been almost 2 years since I had all the gear working. My move took a long time. I made mistakes. I had a empty water stop tank...
I lit the still life too hot with 2 big LED panels. The 4X5 Horseman was fully extended. I could not shoot the comparison lenses with this setup.
Today I will change to bigger camera with more bellows.
iPhone shots are for reference.
Ilford Delta 100 Epson V700 scanned with Vuescan Pro settings developed in 1/100 Rodinol gas burst. Not sharpened in PS, but contrast and brightness was adjusted. No spotting. No curves, no histogram trim.
The top food can in image has an invisible barcode way overlit.
I focused at f11.5 and did not refocus for f45. See paper notes in images.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4852/...1dc8d125_z.jpgIMG-1871 by TIN CAN COLLEGE, on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7800/...86dfee6b_z.jpgIMG-1873 by TIN CAN COLLEGE, on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7895/...3a3a27e3_h.jpgKang f11.5 1-15 16 ft by TIN CAN COLLEGE, on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7857/...d1f1783a_h.jpgKang f45 1sec 16 ft by TIN CAN COLLEGE, on Flickr
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Re: Kang Rinpoche S 600 F11.5 (Chinese Fujinon C 600mm )
Well, it clearly meets the minimum standard. Passes light, forms an image.
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Re: Kang Rinpoche S 600 F11.5 (Chinese Fujinon C 600mm )
Did that model charge by the hour? The makeup looks a little heavy.
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Re: Kang Rinpoche S 600 F11.5 (Chinese Fujinon C 600mm )
Plastica, $45 delivered, no returns
Loyal, never moves
Looks best dressed
Do you need the Tinder tag?
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Originally Posted by
Drew Wiley
Did that model charge by the hour? The makeup looks a little heavy.
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Re: Kang Rinpoche S 600 F11.5 (Chinese Fujinon C 600mm )
Randy, was the contrast adjustment the same for both images? If yes, what do you think accounts for the higher contrast of the f/45 image vs the f/11.5? Brightness between the two appears very similar.
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Re: Kang Rinpoche S 600 F11.5 (Chinese Fujinon C 600mm )
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Originally Posted by
Alan9940
Randy, was the contrast adjustment the same for both images? If yes, what do you think accounts for the higher contrast of the f/45 image vs the f/11.5? Brightness between the two appears very similar.
Yes, exactly the same #'s in PS for brightness and contrast. Scanned together on 2 up Epson V750
Lighting was the same, exposures within 2 minutes and processed together on 4 up hangers.
I don't have an opinion.