Lens cells that fit a Copal 1

[Stephanie Brim]

I have a Copal 1 shutter laying around doing nothing. The Geronar cells that were in it have fungus that *does* effect image quality, so I'm looking for something else.

Are there any older, somewhat interesting lenses that could fit in a Copal 1? Bonus points if it's 250-300mm and covers 5x7. Also note that I have no qualms whatsoever about hacking things to work. It isn't like my cameras are pretty or anything.

[Dan Fromm]

240, 270, 305 G-Clarons, all f/9. If Schneider's coverage claims are to be believed, they all cover 5x7 at infinity

If interesting means really really inexpensive you're probably out of luck.

[Jon Shiu]

I have some Ilex Caltar 215mm cells for sale that are designed after the Kodak Commercial Ektars:
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?95068-fs-Caltar-215mm-f6-3-Cells-25

Jon

[Stephanie Brim]

$400 is probably the absolute high limit of what I could spend, but I'm not looking for something for $100, no.

If I can't find something that is what I want in my price range, I'll likely give the shutter away. Might as well let it find a home with someone who can use it.

[Stephanie Brim]

I have some Ilex Caltar 215mm cells for sale that are designed after the Kodak Commercial Ektars:
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?95068-fs-Caltar-215mm-f6-3-Cells-25

Jon

I saw those. I have a 175mm lens already, though, so I'm thinking that for what I want to do (5x7 portraits) something longer would be a better choice.

[Stephanie Brim]

I have some Ilex Caltar 215mm cells for sale that are designed after the Kodak Commercial Ektars:
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?95068-fs-Caltar-215mm-f6-3-Cells-25

Jon

I saw those. I have a 175mm lens already, though, so I'm thinking that for what I want to do (5x7 portraits) something longer would be a better choice.

In the mean time, I have a huge 300/4.5 that I plan to use wide open with slower film. However, that can only go so far, you know? Maybe I should trade the Copal for a Packard.

[Jim Galli]

Any interest in some 210 Geronar cells that are perfect?

[Stephanie Brim]

Any interest in some 210 Geronar cells that are perfect?

I'm basically dead set on the 250-300mm focal length. I'm looking at building a decent 2 lens 5x7 kit and the 175mm/300-ish combination seems like it would be the best option.

[Stephanie Brim]

Actually, thinking about it more, I'd almost say that the most wanted would be a 360 Heliar, but it's out of price range. I have the extension bed for the 5x7 so I could probably focus something up to about 500mm well, but I don't want to go too long.

[Jim Galli]

Actually, thinking about it more, I'd almost say that the most wanted would be a 360 Heliar, but it's out of price range. I have the extension bed for the 5x7 so I could probably focus something up to about 500mm well, but I don't want to go too long.

Remember that your maximum aperture number is a direct relationship with the size of the hole in the Copal 1 shutter. So longer focal lengths will be ever increasingly slower lenses. That's why they can sell a 300mm in a Copal 1 shutter. You have to live with f9. Fuji even put a wonderful 450mm in a Copal 1 but it is f12.5 Smaller aperture works against you in portraiture. I'll PM you with an idea though.

[Dan Fromm]

This character http://www.ebay.de/itm/Schneider-Kreuznach-G-Claron-9-0-305mm-OVP-/190419445284 says he won't ship to the US but you could try screaming at him.

[Stephanie Brim]

Remember that your maximum aperture number is a direct relationship with the size of the hole in the Copal 1 shutter. So longer focal lengths will be ever increasingly slower lenses. That's why they can sell a 300mm in a Copal 1 shutter. You have to live with f9. Fuji even put a wonderful 450mm in a Copal 1 but it is f12.5 Smaller aperture works against you in portraiture. I'll PM you with an idea though.

Yeah, the Heliar won't fit, but it's a dream anyway. If I ever get together with other LF photographers, I may see if I can borrow one because I'm really, really, really curious. I like fast lenses, but I'm not sure how much I'd like how heavy the thing has to be.

I have to clean up the 300/4.5, but it should take some very, very nice pictures when I'm done. On slow film. I'm pondering snapping up some ISO 25 Efke in 5x7 before it goes away completely.

[Stephanie Brim]

Hrm. There's a 360/9 APO-Ronar on Ebay right now cheap. It's in barrel, so I wouldn't have yet another Copal 1. $140. Bonus: I have a lens board it'll fit so I don't have to make one. Hm.

ETA: ER, whoops, read wrong. Needs Copal 3. Argh.

[Carsten Wolff]

Sell the shutter. There is a 15" f5.6 Wollensak on the bay, already in a shutter, fairly cheap. It is my main lens in that FL for 5x7. Big, but nice. You need less than 10" of bellows to focus to infinity.

[Stephanie Brim]

I saw that lens. I'll actually be trading the shutter for some film holders and the 4x5 reducing back for my camera. This makes me very, very happy.

There's also a 12/20/28 triple convertible. I know I could focus the 12 and the 20 (though it may be tight at portrait length), but I couldn't do the 28 without some interesting camera hacking: I'd need to make a third extension bed and find someone who could make a larger bellows...or buy an 8x10. Heh.

[Stephanie Brim]

Oh, and I'm going to safely assume that there are a few of you guys watching the bunged 14" Heliar that I'm also very, very closely watching.

[Kevin J. Kolosky]

I have a set of Rodenstock Sironar N cells (210) that would go perfectly into that shutter. So if you dont find what you are looking for let me know what you want for the shutter.

[cyberjunkie]

I have a set of G-Claron 240mm cells, which i can sell for a very interesting price.
The glass is pristine, minus a very small (and very thin) scratch on the back surface.
Probably i have a 210mm too, but it won't be so cheap cause it's like new.
Send me a PM if interested

cheers

CJ

[Stephanie Brim]

I let go of the shutter for the 4x5 back for my camera and some 5x7 holders, so now I can focus on getting whatever damn lens I feel like getting. I'm going to continue my research and use the 12" Tessar type and the 7.5" I have. I *do* want a 12"/300mm lens in a shutter, though.

Possibles include the G-Claron, the red dot Artar, and the basic Dagor (not the gold rimmed one, as that's obviously out of my price range). I kind of need to see images, though. :/

[C. D. Keth]

Stephanie, Jim Galli is selling a 305mm g-claron in the classifieds right now. That's a phenomenal lens (that will also work for the next couple formats up if you ever go there) and Jim Galli is a good guy to buy from.

[Stephanie Brim]

I know, but I can't buy now. Heh. I have to wait. Christmas money + yarn dyeing profits + a little extra = lens. It does fit the small list of things I need his lens to be, though: shutter, 8x10 coverage at least (thinking toward the future), right around the $500 mark or less.

[C. D. Keth]

Totally understand. If I could buy right now, I wouldn't have told you about it and would have bought it myself. :D