Wanderlust 4x5 P&S [Archive] - Page 2 - Large Format Photography Forum

Ben Syverson

4-Jun-2012, 14:53

Any news on this Ben?
Have my 90 mm ready to go......
Hi all,

I've exposed a few more sheets that I'll scan and post soon. I've been preoccupied with some software I need to get out the door, and Justin just became a father, so we have a few balls in the air.

The next step for us is to visit a spring manufacturer to work out the specs for the spring back. I think it should be relatively straightforward. We just need to figure out the right amount of torque. The less the better in my mind, because you don't need much pressure to hold a lightweight filmholder against the back.

Then we need to find someone to do the tooling for the mold. We had selected a place, but they couldn't get a quote together so we're having to restart the search.

Once I get this software out there I'll return my attention to this project, as I'd love to get it out before the end of the year!

architorture

4-Jun-2012, 23:26

I just bought what is essentially a lightweight 4x5 p&s on ebay last week for $75, before I knew about this project. I'd much rather prefer your model. I guess now I'll have to have both once you get this thing manufactured! I hope it regains a higher priority on your guys' to-do list soon.

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rdenney

5-Jun-2012, 05:11

Ben, how dare you put us off! And for such silly things like, you know, work, fatherhood, and other trivialities. Don't you understand the seriousness of the delay? In that amount of time, I could, you know, actually lose the stuff I've gathered together for this camera, or (gasp!) use that Blik, silly little homemade finder, and 90mm WA Optar on some other project.

I even found an ancient little Vivitar 252 flash that is tiny enough to store inside it and would work fine on this camera.

But nooooo. You guys have to go out and, you know, earn a living and, like, raise kids and stuff.

Rick "who has Art to make, dammit!" Denney

architorture

5-Jun-2012, 14:07

I can't match your sarcasm Rick, I'm just too subtle. Thanks for clarifying my post.

Ben, do you have a link for the Graflok ISO standard you found? I'd love to see that...

Steve Smith

5-Jun-2012, 15:28

I can't match your sarcasm Rick

I think he must be secretly British. We excel at sarcasm!

Steve.

rdenney

6-Jun-2012, 09:04

When I was in London a few years ago, nobody there had any suspicions that I might be secretly British, heh.

Even if I did go over there primarily to listen to two concerts by the Royal Philharmonic.

Rick "who became decidedly American in the face of a pompous and snobbish cleric in Westminster Cathedral, whose sarcasm tolerance was definitely not up to the task" Denney

architorture

6-Jun-2012, 11:00

I found a blog of someone who does polaroid conversions and mentioned the international back ANSI standard. I asked him for a copy and he delivered; for posterity's sake, here's the post with the link in the comments: http://salihonbashome.blogspot.com/2009/11/ground-glass-panel.html

I would upload the pdf, but I don't know if that's fair to him. You can pm me if it is no longer available at the link above sometime in the future...

Vascilli

10-Jun-2012, 00:22

Any updates?! I'm really looking forward to this one.

Steve Smith

10-Jun-2012, 01:01

Rick "who became decidedly American in the face of a pompous and snobbish cleric in Westminster Cathedral, whose sarcasm tolerance was definitely not up to the task" Denney

I will write a letter to the minister for public sarcasm and have him replaced by someone more suitable.

To temporarily drag this thread back on topic, my 65mm Super Angulon is now fitted into a new fully operational shutter so one of my tasks now is to take the focusing mechanism and lens board from my 6x12 camera and build a 5x4 holding body around it.

Steve.

Steve Smith

10-Jun-2012, 01:06

I would upload the pdf, but I don't know if that's fair to him.

I don't think it's his PDF as it's on Google documents. No harm in posting a direct link though so those of us with an interest in these things can save a copy: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5SarEdwOr8LbEZJcFg0RGZkUFE

Steve.

Asher Kelman

12-Jun-2012, 13:54

Fabulous Project! Interested +

Asher

Asher Kelman

12-Jun-2012, 13:56

Fabulous Project! Interested +

Asher

J Maxwell

23-Jun-2012, 15:37

Are these for sale or pre-order yet? I'm double interested! What a fantastic idea - exactly what I've been looking for, and just the right focal length.

Ben Syverson

25-Jul-2012, 19:33

Hi guys,

Things are moving along... We're starting to receive quotes, and so far they're in the ballpark that we had estimated. It seems like we're on target for an eventual $99 retail price. So that's great news!

Our spring manufacturer seems to have fallen through, so we need to find someone in the midwest who can stamp spring steel for us. Once we do that, we should be on track.

adam satushek

25-Jul-2012, 23:02

Yeah dude do it! Glad to hear this is still in the works!
This project is the main reason that I haven't sold my 90.

jon.oman

26-Jul-2012, 07:24

Keep us posted!

anglophone1

14-Sep-2012, 07:15

Have 2 90s ready for this, when can I buy one?
C

GabrielSeri

23-Sep-2012, 16:09

When can we buy this?

Kirk Fry

23-Sep-2012, 22:10

If you don't get this done pretty soon I am going to have to glue one of these things together out of poly carbonate. :-)

Joel Truckenbrod

26-Sep-2012, 19:06

Awesome. I've been looking for something exactly like this. It'd be incredibly useful.

chrishayton

27-Sep-2012, 06:11

Safe to say ill be buying one when this becomes available, very exciting

mrbishi

20-Oct-2012, 04:48

I'll definitely be buying one of these! Can't wait for them to be ready!

jwicaksana

22-Oct-2012, 09:14

I'm so interested in this! So much that I read all 28 pages in one sitting - on my 2.5“ smartphone screen. :O
So yeah, let us know when it is available, and best wishes for your project.

P.S. This is also my very first post here at LF forum! :D

Simon Liddiard

6-Nov-2012, 12:19

I'm also very interested in seeing how this project develops! I've subscribed to the thread although I'm afraid I don't have anything to add from a technical or ergonomic point of view.

Good luck with the process!

Simon

brianbreeze

13-Nov-2012, 21:11

Lightbender

15-Nov-2012, 00:43

Great to hear! i think $99 is the magic number for me. 90mm focal length is more practical, more lenses available. But 65mm fills a gap that many large format cameras just dont do well.. superwide. The corners are hard to see, and the bellows get too compressed. I didnt read the whole thread. Do you have a homepage with news posted?

LaurentB

15-Nov-2012, 02:09

Looks absolutely great ! If you can ship to France, I'll want one.

Holdenrichards

15-Nov-2012, 08:41

Looks absolutely great ! If you can ship to France, I'll want one.

Better still how about a fixed focus 8x10 version for say a 210mm lens?

A great product idea.

David Aimone

15-Nov-2012, 11:31

As with everyone else here, I am excited about this project and have a 90mm ready to go. Good luck and I hope things go well and quickly!

Roger Thoms

15-Nov-2012, 12:26

Seems like this project has stalled out, hope Ben will post an update.

Roger

rdenney

15-Nov-2012, 15:52

Seems like this project has stalled out, hope Ben will post an update.

Roger

Ben is faced with the nontrivial task of productizing a concept to fit a low price point, with little hope of paying himself back for his time. I can understand why it would be done on a time-available basis, despite my own eagerness to get one.

Rick "who has collected the necessary accoutrements in anticipation" Denney

Simon Liddiard

16-Nov-2012, 09:49

Ben is faced with the nontrivial task of productizing a concept to fit a low price point, with little hope of paying himself back for his time. I can understand why it would be done on a time-available basis, despite my own eagerness to get one.

Rick "who has collected the necessary accoutrements in anticipation" Denney

Well said Rick!

anglophone1

16-Nov-2012, 15:10

Quite right!
But I still want one ..........now.....
Clive " who also has collected the same stuff" Evans

wallrat

16-Nov-2012, 22:11

Assuming reasonable price, I'm in either way. I have a hard time choosing between 65 and 90 and while I lean toward the 65 a little bit, I'm fine either way. Take your time, get it right, and when it's ready, email me at billp <at> billpratt <dot> net or PM me!

jnl

5-Dec-2012, 19:00

Hey guys,

This project is still in progress & has not "stalled out." Things are moving along quite nicely. We just want to have all design aspects completely worked out before we pour tens of thousands of dollars into mold making.

We have gone through 3 iterations of the body and feel very confident with our design. The first prototypes of our custom spring back and sport finder have been manufactured and tested. Slight adjustments have been made to the CAD files and will be prototyped again.

We have already received numerous quotes and selected our manufacturers based in the Midwest. We are very excited that we will be able to stick to our goal retail price of $99.00! This was no small task and is due to our careful design.

Both Ben and I look forward to getting this camera in your hands as soon as possible. We will most likely be doing a pre-order when the time comes. Stay tuned, things are moving forward!

Best,
Justin

David Aimone

5-Dec-2012, 19:05

Kudos!

jon.oman

5-Dec-2012, 19:31

Bravo!

Roger Thoms

5-Dec-2012, 19:36

Justin, sorry for my comment and thanks for the update. Great to hear thing are moving along. I also understand that the design has to worked out before investing in the molds. As far as the $99 price that would be fantastic, but I'm more than happy to spend more.

Roger

jnl

5-Dec-2012, 19:43

Roger,
No worries! We will be happy to charge you more for yours!

Justin

Roger Thoms

5-Dec-2012, 19:48

Thay's fine just call it the special limited edition model so I can feel good about the extra cost.

Roger

jnl

5-Dec-2012, 19:58

84850
Here is the sport finder & spring back.

adam satushek

6-Dec-2012, 10:29

Awesome! I think its looking great! Cant wait to get my hands on one of these

dave_whatever

6-Dec-2012, 10:40

Any info on what the final range of achieveable flange distances is with that helicoid?

Corran

6-Dec-2012, 11:12

jnl

6-Dec-2012, 16:07

Any info on what the final range of achieveable flange distances is with that helicoid?

89.500mm - 108.00mm

rkmiec

7-Dec-2012, 10:30

100 dollars,fotoman and dayi will be out of business the next day. At that price why have a poll. Buy both. Offer an investment opportunity here for buying both ahead of time and get free shipping when built.

horacekenneth

7-Dec-2012, 12:23

this looks exciting. had no idea there was 30 pages of this when I ventured in

dave_whatever

7-Dec-2012, 13:28

100 dollars,fotoman and dayi will be out of business the next day.

Or they'll sell a copy for $60....

anglophone1

7-Dec-2012, 17:40

Very good news Justin, and yes, please do come here for pre-orders!
Clive

Stefan Lungu

10-Dec-2012, 06:16

Great news, I hope that everything works out fine and we can get a minimalistic simple and lightweight cam for 100$, or even a little bit more :)

dperez

11-Dec-2012, 11:13

I'm down for one. maybe you could set up an email list so that potential buyers can get updates and preorder info.

Excellent work.

-DP

GabrielSeri

12-Dec-2012, 18:55

I'm down for one. maybe you could set up an email list so that potential buyers can get updates and preorder info.

Excellent work.

-DP

+1

WayneStevenson

13-Dec-2012, 10:39

I'll order one for 90mm.

David Aimone

13-Dec-2012, 12:00

People are starting to put orders in here on the forum? Isn't that not what this forum/topic is for?

There are many people here that are interested in the camera when it's available. Can we wait until the guys making the camera ask for orders and tell us how to order, and not start a feeding frenzy?

tenderobject

16-Dec-2012, 10:41

this would be awesome. a 4x5 point and shoot for $99! a lot of people would be interested with these especially those people who like to start LF but limited budget! i like to get one!

belichten

27-Dec-2012, 10:03

would love to have that 65mm version

Jac@stafford.net

27-Dec-2012, 11:10

Sorry for coming in so late to this intriguing project.

Just a thought on making a more compact body for carrying in a small pack. It might be possible to divide the body in two parts so that the smaller part could be placed inside the larger. Then for extra-compact carry, the lens could also be reversed in the front part.

A rough idea of one photo application that uses the concept that is Linhof's ground glass reflex viewer. There are two kinds, I am referring to this model (http://www.ffordes.com/assets/Product_images/1007231635874/125811.jpg).

A compact 4x5 camera I made about 15 years ago. (http://www.digoliardi.net/super-wide-4x5-1.jpg) It has a focusing helix made specifically for the lens, a 47mm F/5.6 Super Angulon.

Very best of success in your endeavor!

Ben Syverson

30-Jan-2013, 15:25

Hi guys,

Just a small update. We recently finished editing our Kickstarter video, which introduces the 4x5 and gives a brief overview. This will be your chance to support the actual production of this camera. We also reveal a little secret in the video that many of you will find very exciting! You won't want to miss it.

Engineering-wise, the only thing left is to add distance marks for the Angulon 90mm ƒ6.8. You'll be able to focus from infinity down to about 2 feet. If you're bringing a different 90, you'll need to make your own marks... Most other 90s seem to have a longer FFD, so the minimum focus will be greater.

One thing I don't think we ever mentioned is that we hope to include an injection molded plastic ground "glass." This way, straight out of the box, you can set up your distance marks for your 90mm if its not an Angulon ƒ6.8. Its also useful for testing your distance finder. Additionally, some may choose to use it in the field rather than a distance finder.

We'll have more as soon as the Kickstarter goes up, which will be soon! Thanks for reading!

Ben

BarryS

30-Jan-2013, 15:36

Hi guys,

... We also reveal a little secret in the video that many of you will find very exciting! You won't want to miss it....

So you will be making a rainbow sparkle version!

Glad to hear this is moving forward and kickstarter is a good idea--not that thread replies aren't like money in the bank. :rolleyes:

erie patsellis

30-Jan-2013, 16:03

Silly idea, but given the small size of the 65 f8 and the length of the helicoid, couldn't a 65 version be as simple as either a recessed lens board/mount or more simply, flipping the innermost part of the helicoid around?

Brian Puccio

31-Jan-2013, 07:01

Just a small update. We recently finished editing our Kickstarter video, which introduces the 4x5 and gives a brief overview. This will be your chance to support the actual production of this camera. We also reveal a little secret in the video that many of you will find very exciting! You won't want to miss it.

Awesome, I cannot wait! I'm entirely new to large format, but I've been spending the past few months trying to research what it would take to 3D print a fixed body that would take a 4x5 holder on the back end and a helical and Schneider 90mm f/5.6 on the front, plus two cold shoes (one for a rangefinder and one for a viewfinder). Based on this thread, it looks like you're going to do it all for me!

On one hand, now I have one less project :(

On the other hand, now I have one less project to worry about :)

left is to add distance marks for the Angulon 90mm ƒ6.8. You'll be able to focus from infinity down to about 2 feet. If you're bringing a different 90, you'll need to make your own marks... Most other 90s seem to have a longer FFD, so the minimum focus will be greater.

Like I said, I'm new to large format, but I've been doing a lot of reading, including this entire thread. Are you saying that I'll still have infinity focus if I use a 90mm f/5.6, just my minimum focal length will be more like 3-4 (or more?) feet? No problem.

One thing I don't think we ever mentioned is that we hope to include an injection molded plastic ground "glass." This way, straight out of the box, you can set up your distance marks for your 90mm if its not an Angulon ƒ6.8.

Does that mean I can opt to get a "blank" helical and engrave my own 2m, 4m, 8m, 15m, infinity marks at a local machine shop?

We'll have more as soon as the Kickstarter goes up, which will be soon!

While I have mixed feelings on Kickstarter and some of the projects there, one thing I've seen is that they don't want people who have a product ready to ship -- it's the entire Kickstarter isn't a store thing. I hope your project gets approved and fully funded (and subsequently developed) without issue. Best of luck to you.

Ben Syverson

1-Feb-2013, 11:14

Like I said, I'm new to large format, but I've been doing a lot of reading, including this entire thread. Are you saying that I'll still have infinity focus if I use a 90mm f/5.6, just my minimum focal length will be more like 3-4 (or more?) feet? No problem.
Those ƒ5.6 90s are really huge. We haven't tried putting one onto the camera... If you do, it will definitely make the camera about 90% front weight, so you'll need to keep a good grip on it!

Does that mean I can opt to get a "blank" helical and engrave my own 2m, 4m, 8m, 15m, infinity marks at a local machine shop?
The marks are on the body (around the helical), not on the barrel of the helical, so they'll be very easy to add yourself. We're talking about polycarbonate, so you can just scratch lines into the body. There's an outside chance that we'll also sell stickers with the focal markings for different 90s, which you could apply to the lip around the helical.

While I have mixed feelings on Kickstarter and some of the projects there, one thing I've seen is that they don't want people who have a product ready to ship -- it's the entire Kickstarter isn't a store thing. I hope your project gets approved and fully funded (and subsequently developed) without issue. Best of luck to you.
Thanks! But to be clear, we do not have anything "ready to ship." We have no molds, we have no product. If this Kickstarter is not successful, the camera will not be made, full stop. So we really need the help of everyone on the forum to spread the word!

We'll have the video up sometime next week. I'll let you guys know when it's live! In the meantime, enjoy a few images from the camera, taken in Rio.

http://bensyverson.com/images/2013/2/45-rio.jpg

http://bensyverson.com/images/2013/2/45-santa.jpg

http://bensyverson.com/images/2013/2/45-susan-sunrise.jpg

tenderobject

2-Feb-2013, 10:30

would be helpful if you post kickstarter link isnt it?

Corran

2-Feb-2013, 10:34

It's not live yet. At least that's what he said in the previous post!

tenderobject

2-Feb-2013, 10:37

my bad. i thought it was just the video thing.. i'll just wait for the update.

Weihan

2-Feb-2013, 16:27

The more I think about this, the more I realize what I really want is a camera like this that would take my 47mm XL. Yeah, I'll probably buy the 90mm model, but a 47mm P&S version would be awesome. Even if it was a little more due to lower production numbers. Super extra bonus points if it was somehow collapsible.

I had exactly the same thought. I'll definitely buy the 90mm version, but I'd like to be able to use the 47mm XL on a camera other than my Linhof TK, which is very tiresome to focus and set up with this lens. And the Cambo Wide versions cost as much as a new 5-Series BMW.

Weihan

2-Feb-2013, 16:30

Andrew O'Neill

2-Feb-2013, 16:42

Been anxiously waiting for this to become reality. Hope it does, cuz I've got a 90mm lens sitting on the shelf, collecting dust.

Roger Thoms

2-Feb-2013, 19:36

I also have a 90mm waiting in the wings, and will definitely contribute if the project is accepted by Kickstarter.

Roger

rdenney

5-Feb-2013, 09:27

Awesome, I cannot wait! I'm entirely new to large format, but I've been spending the past few months trying to research what it would take to 3D print a fixed body that would take a 4x5 holder on the back end and a helical and Schneider 90mm f/5.6 on the front, plus two cold shoes (one for a rangefinder and one for a viewfinder). Based on this thread, it looks like you're going to do it all for me!

Ben was polite about it, but I'll go a bit further. A 90/5.6 Super Angulon is probably overkill for this project. The camera provides no movements, and is therefore best suited to lenses that provide 4x5 coverage but little beyond. Thus, the plain Angulon, or the 90mm W.A. Optar that I'm reserving for this project, are most appropriate. The 90/5.6 has fabulous coverage that will be wasted in this application, and at the cost of much bulk and weight. My own 90/5.6 will happily stay mounted to a Sinar board.

At 65mm, that's another story. A 65/8 Super Angulon, though it is a Super Angulon, is perfect for a camera of this type. It barely has coverage for 4x5, and it is small and fairly light (especially by SA standards). I have a couple of those and hope that the 90mm version will be so successful that Ben will be downright compelled to follow it up with a 65mm version.

If the project goes forward and you end up with one, start hunting the market for a 90mm Angulon (not Super), a W.A. Optar, or similar. These lenses are not expensive.

Rick "looking forward to the Kickstarter entry" Denney

Brian Puccio

5-Feb-2013, 10:42

Ben was polite about it, but I'll go a bit further. A 90/5.6 Super Angulon is probably overkill for this project. The camera provides no movements, and is therefore best suited to lenses that provide 4x5 coverage but little beyond. Thus, the plain Angulon, or the 90mm W.A. Optar that I'm reserving for this project, are most appropriate. The 90/5.6 has fabulous coverage that will be wasted in this application, and at the cost of much bulk and weight. My own 90/5.6 will happily stay mounted to a Sinar board.

At 65mm, that's another story. A 65/8 Super Angulon, though it is a Super Angulon, is perfect for a camera of this type. It barely has coverage for 4x5, and it is small and fairly light (especially by SA standards). I have a couple of those and hope that the 90mm version will be so successful that Ben will be downright compelled to follow it up with a 65mm version.

If the project goes forward and you end up with one, start hunting the market for a 90mm Angulon (not Super), a W.A. Optar, or similar. These lenses are not expensive.

Rick "looking forward to the Kickstarter entry" Denney

Thanks for the information, Rick. I think I do better with blunt :)

To be honest, I know next to nothing about large format, having just started getting into 35mm film (mostly E6, I love the colors) a few years ago. If a cheaper lens would work just as well (I was mainly concerned with shooting with the largest aperture possible), I'm not one to argue.

Thanks again.

sethlatimer

5-Feb-2013, 10:47

I think the reason to use a larger lens with excess coverage is that you may have one already or you want just one 90mm that will work on both this and another camera with movements. I hope my 90 will fit!

belichten

6-Feb-2013, 02:29

regarding the 90mm angulons:
if i have the super angulon wih f8 can it be used with the camera?
i have two of those so this would be ideal

jnl

6-Feb-2013, 21:52

regarding the 90mm angulons:
if i have the super angulon wih f8 can it be used with the camera?
i have two of those so this would be ideal

Yes you can use the Super Angulon F8.
However, the camera will come with focus marks for the Angulon F6.8. Anyone using a different 90mm lens will need to create their own focus marks.

rustyair

3-Mar-2013, 19:25

WayneStevenson

4-Mar-2013, 20:01

And still waiting on some video?

Have you lost steam on this endeavour Ben?

David Aimone

14-Mar-2013, 14:52

bump.... :confused:

willrea

14-Mar-2013, 15:15

They're still working on the kickstarter listing from what I can glean from from twitter.

BarryS

14-Mar-2013, 15:17

...and somewhere, a 90mm Angulon waits patiently for its day in the sun.

anglophone1

15-Mar-2013, 09:08

Quite a lot of 90mms waiting out here.....

Ben Syverson

15-Mar-2013, 20:14

Hi guys,

Too many irons in the fire! I apologize for the delay. We have the video 100% cut, but I'm waiting on some music for the background. In the meantime, I'm writing the copy for the Kickstarter listing, which is more labor intensive than you might think—it's sort of a product webpage of its own.

We've also been busy buying 90mm lenses when we can get good deals on them, so that we can offer a small number of complete packages.

I'll post a message here a few hours before I make the Kickstarter go live, because we're going to have some special reward levels for early birds. I want to make sure you guys get a chance to get in on those deals!

There's also at least one surprise for LFF folk which we hope you'll appreciate, and we do call you guys out in the video. We truly appreciate your feedback, and it has certainly influenced our decision making. Once we go live, the entire project will really be at the mercy of passionate users like you. But I'm confident that we can get the word out and make our goal!

Ben

http://bensyverson.com/images/2013/3/wanderlust.jpg

Brian Puccio

15-Mar-2013, 20:14

Thanks for the update!

anglophone1

16-Mar-2013, 04:15

Good news, how imminent Ben?

Nicolasllasera

17-Mar-2013, 02:39

First time I read about this! I'm in for one. Which 90mm is best for the camera? That way I can start shopping.

jnl

17-Mar-2013, 08:33

First time I read about this! I'm in for one. Which 90mm is best for the camera? That way I can start shopping.

Schneider Angulon 90mm f6.8

Nicolasllasera

17-Mar-2013, 13:29

Schneider Angulon 90mm f6.8

Thanks Jnl. Thats what I thought.

Ben Syverson

17-Mar-2013, 21:26

We need to get re-verified with Amazon payments, but that should happen pretty quickly. I hope we can launch in the next few days! In the meantime, here's a shot taken with the camera in Rio back in October.

http://bensyverson.com/images/2013/3/sugarloaf-web.jpg

Vascilli

17-Mar-2013, 22:26

My credit card awaits... (Unfortunately...)

jnl

23-Mar-2013, 12:46

Hey guys,

A few little notes and a quick update.

We have had a handful of people ask if the Schneider Super Angulon XL 90mm F5.6 lens will fit this camera. Most people understand this lens is overkill for the camera, but they might happen to already own it. The answer is no, it will not fit. The rear element is too large.

I just wanted to throw this out there - This camera will also make a great pinhole camera. With no lens on the body it is feather light and durable. It is still a great deal just for a pinhole camera that can accept sheet film holders or roll film holders (with the spring removed). We will try to get some sample shots with a pinhole when we get a chance.

Update - We are still waiting for Amazon to complete the account approval process. We provided all the requested paperwork, then they asked for more. We sent it in immediately and now we are waiting again. The last email received today stated we should have an answer in 2-3 business days. Once the account is approved, the project still has to be approved by Kickstarter. So hopefully mid next week things will be moving along!

Thanks,

Justin

tenderobject

23-Mar-2013, 13:56

Hi guys! Which super angulomn is it i bet there are a few variations? My fujinon 90 is with my 617 already a new lens or this would be awesome. Goodluck!

Ben Syverson

23-Mar-2013, 14:59

The camera is designed for the Schneider Angulon 90mm ƒ/6.8 lens (not the Super Angulon). However, the Super Angulon 90mm ƒ/8 and similar should work fine. You'll just need to adjust the focus marker using the instructions we'll include in the box.

The ƒ/5.6 variant is just too huge... It's for the best, because it would make the camera dangerously front-heavy. The 90 XL alone weighs more than our camera with an Angulon 6.8, film holder, viewfinder and rangefinder attached.

tenderobject

23-Mar-2013, 15:35

Thanks ben. How about other brandslike 90mm fujinons?

rfesk

23-Mar-2013, 16:24

I am still waiting - patiently- with 90/6.8 Angulon in hand. I can well imagine this is quite a project. It is encouraging that it is still moving forward.

taulen

23-Mar-2013, 16:24

Looking forward to it !
Any idea if the 90mm f6.8 Caltar II-N will work ?

Nicolasllasera

23-Mar-2013, 16:30

Thanks for the update. Just got my Schneider Angulon and now waiting for the camera!

tenderobject

23-Mar-2013, 16:54

Hope you guys can list lenses that would fit prefectly with the camera!:)

Ben Syverson

25-Mar-2013, 09:55

dave_whatever

25-Mar-2013, 10:53

Looking forward to it !
Any idea if the 90mm f6.8 Caltar II-N will work ?

That (Grandagon-n) should work as its flange distance is about 5mm shorter than the superangulons.

Andrew O'Neill

25-Mar-2013, 10:59

If my Fujinon fits I'll buy one.

AuditorOne

25-Mar-2013, 11:26

Waiting patiently?? for the roll out with money in hand.

tenderobject

25-Mar-2013, 11:46

is this the angulon we are talking about?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/schneider/90angulon.htm

how about the fujinon 90mm?

WayneStevenson

25-Mar-2013, 17:00

Is your Kickstarter live yet? Definately want to consider an early bird offer...

Ben Syverson

25-Mar-2013, 20:05

is this the angulon we are talking about?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/schneider/90angulon.htm

how about the fujinon 90mm?

Yeah, that's the one!

I can't comment about every 90 out there, but I will say this: we designed the camera to be flexible. The focusing helical has plenty of travel, so it should accept just about any 90mm lens. The ƒ/5.6 lenses won't fit because they're just outrageously large.

Most 90s in the world are these little Angulons and dozens of different variations on the ƒ/8 Super Angulon, from many manufacturers. The ƒ/8 lenses should all fit. They're good and they're cheap, so if you own a $1600 ƒ/5.6 or ƒ6.8 Super Angulon, I recommend that you leave it on the Sinar and buy a $150 beater to use on the Wanderlust.

There are a few 90s out there that go into Copal 00 shutters. Our helical is designed for Copal 0, but well... the camera is plastic and $99. I encourage people to get creative and not fear superglue. :)

jnl

25-Mar-2013, 20:33

rdenney

26-Mar-2013, 05:42

There are a few 90s out there that go into Copal 00 shutters. Our helical is designed for Copal 0, but well... the camera is plastic and $99. I encourage people to get creative and not fear superglue. :)

No need. Grimes, and probably some Asian outfit on ebay, both sell adapters to install No. 00 shutters in No. 0 holes. I have used them and they work.

The lens I'm saving for this camera is a Graphlex Optar WA, 90/6.8, which is even tinier than the Angulon. Ben collected back-focus measurements back up-thread to make sure to accommodate the flange mounting distance of lenses in this category.

Rick "thinking a lens with marginal coverage for 4x5 is a good fit for a camera with no movements" Denney

rdenney

26-Mar-2013, 05:45

Just to add to Ben's post, here is a rear view of the focus helical. The diameter of the red circle is 80mm or 3.1496". This is what your rear element needs to clear. If your 90mm lens is a copal 0 and your rear element is smaller than 80mm or 3.1496" then it will fit.

*** KEEP IN MIND *** This camera IS LIGHT. Im not kidding. The tiny Schneider Angulon 90 ƒ6.8 that we built it around is enough to make it fall forward. You should ALWAYS lay this thing flat on its back with the lens pointing to the sky. Just want to state this right off the bat!!

92048

You could also mount an Arca-Swiss plate on the bottom, one designed for a telephoto lens for an SLR, that is several inches long. That would give it a foot that would keep it from falling forward, and provide some tripod mounting flexibility, too.

Rick "who has already been collecting bits for this camera--a viewer, a Blix rangefinder, a level, etc., to make use of all those accessory shoes" Denney

tenderobject

26-Mar-2013, 05:47

i can't wait to see the result of this! congrats guys! will definately support this. need to look for a cheap 90mm!

Tracy Storer

26-Mar-2013, 08:06

jnl

26-Mar-2013, 08:27

You should ALWAYS lay this thing flat on its back with the lens pointing to the sky. Just want to state this right off the bat!!

MAKE SURE YOUR LENS IS CLOSED IF YOU DO THIS, Infinity focus on a sunny day can start a fire in side your camera. About 30 years ago, Steve Grimes showed me a highly collectible (Luftwaffe?) Leica with a hole burned through the Red shutter curtain.
PS. I've got my 6.8 Angulon ready !

What Tracy is saying is that this is a good survival camera! If you get stranded in the woods while hiking with it, well you will not be without fire:)

In all seriousness, he is correct. If you did not already know this read his post again and keep it in mind. I always keep my lens closed.

Good call Tracy, thanks!

Ben Syverson

26-Mar-2013, 08:46

Hi guys,

Amazon finally verified us, so I'm going to submit the Kickstarter right now. I'm not sure how long they take to approve projects these days, but I just wanted to give you the heads up that from this moment on, it could go live at any time.

I'll send another update when the project is approved by the Kickstarter staff so you guys can rush in and claim your early bird spots :)

Ben

BarryS

26-Mar-2013, 09:18

Ben Syverson

26-Mar-2013, 11:22

Good news! Ben--supposing this all goes according to plan, when would you estimate shipping the cameras? Do you set the deadline for the Kickstarter campaign once you're approved? Have you selected a manufacturer for the mold, and for the product? Thanks.
We have two manufacturers who gave us very competitive bids. If we do make our goal, we'll contact them both and try to figure out which is the best fit. There are two or three minor details (logotype, metal inserts) that we need to work out with them, but we don't anticipate any showstoppers. We've been very careful to design the camera so that it can be easily translated to an injection mold—which includes making wall thicknesses more uniform, drafting angles, rounding corners, and reducing mold axes to cut down on expensive "sliders."

We set the delivery date to December 2013 to be on the safe side. The lead time on these molds is around three months, so December is a conservative guess. But with manufacturing, we've learned to expect the worst and hope for the best. :)

BarryS

26-Mar-2013, 11:29

Thanks for the helpful information. It definitely pays to be conservative on delivery dates. I've supported a few KS projects and it gets ugly when the projects go way over due dates. As long as you keep up good and frequent communications, backers are usually cool.

anglophone1

26-Mar-2013, 13:06

90mm Optar and/or Angulon ready to go, ready to push the button!
Decembe 2013 a bit late for the project I have on mind (September) but great that it's a go.....

tenderobject

26-Mar-2013, 13:16

any page we could join for updates like fb groups/twitter as well? :D

Corran

26-Mar-2013, 13:18

Once the KS starts they will be able to automatically send you updates when you pre-order.
Thanks for your effort on this guys. I am updated KS every once in a while looking for the launch. I'm pre-ordering this as soon as it's live. Any sneak-peek on the "levels" of support you included?

Ben Syverson

26-Mar-2013, 16:18

any page we could join for updates like fb groups/twitter as well? :D
You can follow Wanderlust at @wanderlustcam (https://twitter.com/wanderlustcam) or my personal account at @bensyverson (https://twitter.com/bensyverson)... I think we'll post smaller updates on Twitter and here on LFF, and then roll them into larger updates for Kickstarter so we're not spamming people too much.

It turns out that once they approve the project, we get to actually push the button to launch, which is great. Basically once it's approved, I'll post an update with the exact time that we'll take it live. There are 25 super early bird slots, and 25 early bird slots, both of which are nice discounts!

tenderobject

26-Mar-2013, 16:24

thank you very much ben!

rustyair

26-Mar-2013, 21:18

Oh my...can't wait!

SMBooth

26-Mar-2013, 21:45

We know for sure that the ƒ/8 types fit... I haven't checked the big ƒ/6.8 lenses yet, but I believe they should fit. Really, only one lens fits "perfectly", and that's the Angulon (not Super) ƒ6.8. The Super Angulons and similar have a longer FFD by design (to make them easier to use on view cameras). For us means you have to start with the helical partially extended, which means you lose close focus. (With the original Angulon, you can focus down to about 2-3 feet.)

Ben, whats the internal diameter and depth of the lens cone, then people can measure the rear element and decided for them self if the lens will fit inside. I assume the len mounting hole is for a Copal 0.

Best of luck.

Ben Syverson

27-Mar-2013, 12:31

Ben, whats the internal diameter and depth of the lens cone, then people can measure the rear element and decided for them self if the lens will fit inside. I assume the len mounting hole is for a Copal 0.

Best of luck.
Because the rear element is conical, it's not especially easy to measure. Justin posted that the ID of the helical is around 80mm... But even if your rear element is wider than 80mm, it could fit, as long as it can clear 80mm at the place where that lip is.

I think even the ƒ/5.6 giants could technically fit, but without any clearance to get your fingers or a lens wrench in there to tighten it to the camera. But really, we made this thing for the Angulon ƒ/6.8, and made sure ƒ/8's could fit too. Anything else is probably an expensive lens that you shouldn't put on a $99 camera with a relatively narrow hand grip. The ƒ/5.6 would be so radically front weighted that I guarantee it will slip right out of your hand and land on the pavement, lens-first.

Andrew O'Neill

27-Mar-2013, 12:45

Yup. I'll order one for sure.

Shootar401

27-Mar-2013, 15:17

dave_whatever

27-Mar-2013, 15:49

But If its only $99 then why push up the cost by making it modular? Just buy two!

Ben Syverson

27-Mar-2013, 15:57

Why not make it modular where you can swap out cones for a 90mm or 65mm with a back common for both? I wouldn't buy one if it was for 90mm (already have a camera for that) but if you made one for a 65mm I'd buy one for sure, especially if you can hit $99.
In a nutshell, it doesn't make sense. The cone is the expensive part to produce, and now all of a sudden you need to find a way to attach it to the body, which makes it more complex.

So basically, we can sell you a $99 unibody camera, or a $40 camera and $99 lens cone.

Cost aside, why would you want to spend time in the field detaching and reattaching cones? The cone itself is what takes up space and weight, so there's nothing convenient about carrying one body with multiple cones. It's much easier to simply carry multiple cameras.

Unibody is the way to go. It makes the camera tougher, lighter, simpler, cheaper, and reduces a point of entry for light and dust.

Corran

27-Mar-2013, 17:25

I'd still like to see a super-wide-angle model at some point. I'd buy one for a 47 or 58 XL. Bonus points for some sort of collapsible body.

Ben Syverson

27-Mar-2013, 22:50

We certainly don't want to rule anything out... I would love to make a version for every major focal length up to 150mm. It really comes down to whether or not this Kickstarter is successful, and if it is, how many production units we sell. The best way you guys can help is to spread the word once we launch!

Nicolasllasera

28-Mar-2013, 00:42

You guys have my word that I have and will continue spreading the word in Spain! I have a few friends who are going for one.

EdoNork

28-Mar-2013, 01:48

I can confirm Nicolas is spreading the Word here :)

WayneStevenson

29-Mar-2013, 12:32

Then launch it already. Heh. What are you waiting for?

Brian Puccio

29-Mar-2013, 13:05

Then launch it already. Heh. What are you waiting for?

As previously mentioned, they (and we) are waiting for Kickstarter approval:

Hi guys,

Amazon finally verified us, so I'm going to submit the Kickstarter right now. I'm not sure how long they take to approve projects these days, but I just wanted to give you the heads up that from this moment on, it could go live at any time.

I'll send another update when the project is approved by the Kickstarter staff so you guys can rush in and claim your early bird spots :)

Ben

It turns out that once they approve the project, we get to actually push the button to launch, which is great. Basically once it's approved, I'll post an update with the exact time that we'll take it live. There are 25 super early bird slots, and 25 early bird slots, both of which are nice discounts!

WayneStevenson

29-Mar-2013, 18:33

I know Brian. ;)

WayneStevenson

29-Mar-2013, 21:26

rdenney

29-Mar-2013, 22:06

By the way, do you have a list of lenses that this works with? Perhaps you can include that information on the very first post?

I have a Super Angulon 90mm f8, and a Nikkor SW 90mm f4.5. They're both big lenses. Will either of them work or will I be needing an Angulon 90mm?

From what Ben has said and from my own guesswork seeing the rendering, probably yes on the 90/8; for sure no on the f/4.5.

Rick "but a Super Angulon will feel like a heavy lens rubber-banded to a film holder" Denney

Ben Syverson

1-Apr-2013, 08:56

David Aimone

1-Apr-2013, 09:00

Congrats! They DID approve it, right? An April 1st joke would be <cruel>!

You have a link yet?

Hi everyone,

Good news—Kickstarter approved our project! Of course, they chose today to approve it. We can't launch a new film camera on April Fools Day, so we will launch tomorrow:

April 2, 11 AM Central Standard Time (GMT -6).

We're excited!

Corran

1-Apr-2013, 09:00

I think that today is a great day to launch a new camera!

Bryan "my credit card is ready" a.k.a. Corran

Steve Goldstein

2-Apr-2013, 04:15

Hi everyone,

Good news—Kickstarter approved our project! Of course, they chose today to approve it. We can't launch a new film camera on April Fools Day, so we will launch tomorrow:

April 2, 11 AM Central Standard Time (GMT -6).

We're excited!

But we're in Daylight Savings Time now... I suppose working in GMT will give the right answer for those vying to be first in line.

Steve Goldstein

2-Apr-2013, 04:17

Ben, do you know if this will hit infinity focus with the Wollensak f/12.5 90mm? I haven't been able to find any info online as to flange focal length for this one.

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 06:42

But we're in Daylight Savings Time now... I suppose working in GMT will give the right answer for those vying to be first in line.
Ah, you're right! Because of DST, Chicago is currently GMT -5. :)

Ben, do you know if this will hit infinity focus with the Wollensak f/12.5 90mm? I haven't been able to find any info online as to flange focal length for this one.
Hmm, I don't know, but I'm hopeful—the FFD for the Angulon is actually a bit less than 90mm.

David Aimone

2-Apr-2013, 06:46

So 11am CST and noon EST? Do you have a link for the project yet?

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 08:20

So 11am CST and noon EST? Do you have a link for the project yet?
We'll have the link for you at exactly 11:00 AM CDT / 12:00 EDT, i.e. 40 minutes from now. :)

Simon Liddiard

2-Apr-2013, 08:48

Our clocks went forwards in the UK last weekend to although UTC/GMT is 15:45pm it is actually 16:45pm in the UK. Such a silly piece of bureaucracy.

Oren Grad

2-Apr-2013, 08:58

Shivering in the freezing square with a grillion other people, waiting for the ball to drop... :)

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 09:00

David Aimone

2-Apr-2013, 09:04

can you purchase two?

rdenney

2-Apr-2013, 09:06

Okay guys, it's live! Here's the link!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wanderlust/travelwide-45-camera

Thank you, and please spread the word!!

EDIT: We have 25 cameras at $49, and when those run out, we have 25 more at $69!

Heh. I was the first! There were "zero" backers when I hit the button.

But then I needed several tries to remember my idiot Amazon password. Doh!

Rick "who resisted the option to have Justin hand-deliver it anywhere in the world" Denney

BarryS

2-Apr-2013, 09:07

Great, in for one. Thanks for the super early bird special!

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 09:07

can you purchase two?
Unfortunately, no. Kickstarter has really cracked down. But we could add a reward level for one 90 and one 65, if people wanted both!

David Aimone

2-Apr-2013, 09:08

I just wanted to contribute twice and get two cameras, one as a gift. I assume I'm not delaying anyone else's camera by getting two, but just supporting the project. I can always wait and purchase one aside from Kickstarter, but it wouldn't apply to your goal...

Unfortunately, no. Kickstarter has really cracked down. But we could add a reward level for one 90 and one 65, if people wanted both!

jnl

2-Apr-2013, 09:11

Heh. I was the first! There were "zeo" backers when I hit the button.

But then I needed several tries to remember my idiot Amazon password. Doh!

Rick "who resisted the option to have Justin hand-deliver it anywhere in the world" Denney

Oh come on! I need a trip somewhere nice:)

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 09:13

Fantastic!!! Got one for $49.

Surprised about the 65mm ver. But my question is, will it work for a 58mm XL??? I'll order that too if so.

Brian Puccio

2-Apr-2013, 09:15

Okay guys, it's live! Here's the link!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wanderlust/travelwide-45-camera

Thank you, and please spread the word!!

EDIT: We have 25 cameras at $49, and when those run out, we have 25 more at $69!

Thanks for posting this and keeping us updated. I'm in for one and I've submitted this to PetaPixel as well.

Steve Goldstein

2-Apr-2013, 09:16

If someone is already in for, say, the super early bird special, and then you add a 90/65 reward, how would that work? Hypothetically speaking, of course :)

Larry Kellogg

2-Apr-2013, 09:16

I'm in at $49. Looks like a blast to shoot. Good work guys! Oh yeah, I'm working on spreading the word.

Any chance of putting some kind of strap lugs on the thing so I can throw it over my shoulder?

Larry

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 09:18

Fantastic!!! Got one for $49.

Surprised about the 65mm ver. But my question is, will it work for a 58mm XL??? I'll order that too if so.
Yeah, we knew you guys wanted a 65! I'll have to look at the dimensions and FFD for the 58mm... It's always possible to do a simple recessed "lensboard" for the front of the body, but at 58mm it might have to be a new body. That way it could be more compact anyway.

Thinking "out loud," I think we would probably do a new body that we could use to make both a 47 and 58 version, similar to how we've done with the 90 / 65 body. But we'd certainly need this one to be successful before we could consider that.

rdenney

2-Apr-2013, 09:20

Unfortunately, no. Kickstarter has really cracked down. But we could add a reward level for one 90 and one 65, if people wanted both!

I want both. Tell me about the 65. What mechanism to you have for setting the fixed focus? Someone will want to adjust the lens position for different assumptions of hyperfocal distance, or for different apertures, etc.

Is it set up for infinity focus? That would allow focus adjustment using shims.

Rick "who has a couple of those lenses that could be purposed for this additional camera" Denney

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 09:21

Any chance of putting some kind of strap lugs on the thing so I can throw it over my shoulder?
Thanks, Larry! There are two boreholes through the camera's grips, which can be used for a strap. You would just pass the strap down one side, across the bottom, and up the other side. It works great!

If someone is already in for, say, the super early bird special, and then you add a 90/65 reward, how would that work? Hypothetically speaking, of course
I'm hesitant to add too many more reward levels (we already have a lot), so if I added one, it would probably be close to full price (ie $189 for both cameras).

maurits

2-Apr-2013, 09:24

Yay, I am a super early bird too... Number 13, I think! :-)

Maurits

rustyair

2-Apr-2013, 09:24

Steve Goldstein

2-Apr-2013, 09:28

Travelwide is a great name IMO.

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 09:28

I want both. Tell me about the 65. What mechanism to you have for setting the fixed focus? Someone will want to adjust the lens position for different assumptions of hyperfocal distance, or for different apertures, etc.

Is it set up for infinity focus? That would allow focus adjustment using shims.

Rick "who has a couple of those lenses that could be purposed for this additional camera" Denney
Rick, you're right on the money as usual. The 65 body is designed to nail infinity focus, because a) some landscape photographers will want infinity to be in absolutely peak focus, and b) you can always shim forward, but if you want to go back, you need sandpaper.

In all honesty, "hyperfocal" is a myth—in reality it's a compromise. Different people will have different standards for what is "in focus" enough, and how far forward or back they feel comfortable cheating it. The type of user who will be using the 65 will probably want to decide that for themselves.

So more likely than not, we'll ship the 65 with some custom shims, instructions, and let the user make that call. But to our standards, we've been able to find a sweet spot where ~8m is pretty darn sharp, and infinity is nearly perfect—all at ƒ/8. Once you stop down, you'll get some more flexibility.

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 09:28

Yeah, we knew you guys wanted a 65! I'll have to look at the dimensions and FFD for the 58mm... It's always possible to do a simple recessed "lensboard" for the front of the body, but at 58mm it might have to be a new body. That way it could be more compact anyway.

Thinking "out loud," I think we would probably do a new body that we could use to make both a 47 and 58 version, similar to how we've done with the 90 / 65 body. But we'd certainly need this one to be successful before we could consider that.

Well I will look too because I have no idea what it is! But a recessed lensboard sounds like a plan, or, if you do a split 47/58 model I would certainly purchase that instead!! I am beyond excited to be in on this already, especially at the spectacular $49 price-point! Well done guys!! Okay I will stop using exclamation points...

Oren Grad

2-Apr-2013, 09:36

Beautifully done - kudos to you and Justin for getting this off the ground!

I wonder whether you'd sell a few more if you make it clear that the camera can be used with other 90's too. Or do you think the necessary caveats would cause too much confusion?

Larry Kellogg

2-Apr-2013, 09:39

Thanks, Larry! There are two boreholes through the camera's grips, which can be used for a strap. You would just pass the strap down one side, across the bottom, and up the other side. It works great!

Sounds great, but am I correct in assuming that I can have a cable release or a strap, but not both? I would want both. Sorry if that is asking for too much at this point. ;-)

Larry

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 09:43

According to Schneider's data, the 65mm f/8 SA has a FFD of 70.5mm, while the 58mm XL has a FFD of 70mm, so it should work essentially the same??

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 09:48

According to Schneider's data, the 65mm f/8 SA has a FFD of 70.5mm, while the 58mm XL has a FFD of 70mm, so it should work essentially the same??
Oh, cool! I'd have to look at our CAD drawings, but the 58 may work out of the box then. I guess worst case, you'd need to sand down the front by 0.5mm. Honestly, if it seems like it needs to be moved back by just 0.5, we might be able to design a feature in the mold so that we can produce a separate 65 and 58 plate. I wonder how many people have that 58.

Sounds great, but am I correct in assuming that I can have a cable release or a strap, but not both? I would want both. Sorry if that is asking for too much at this point. ;-)

Larry
The spring back is strong enough that you can hang the camera vertically from one borehole, and thread the cable release through the other one! Or you can possibly stuff both through one borehole—if you have a narrow strap and cable release, it's a real possibility.

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 09:52

That would be awesome. I don't know if more people have the 58mm than 65mm, but it might be good to point out!

I guess I can't order both separately as some folks above mentioned, regarding ordering two, but I'll definitely be getting a super-wide model if it pans out (or I might make another KS account to get the other so I can help out more).

David Aimone

2-Apr-2013, 09:57

Anyway, congratulations guys! When you figure it out, let me know how I may further support the project by putting more money in for a second camera...

I just wanted to contribute twice and get two cameras, one as a gift. I assume I'm not delaying anyone else's camera by getting two, but just supporting the project. I can always wait and purchase one aside from Kickstarter, but it wouldn't apply to your goal...

Larry Kellogg

2-Apr-2013, 09:58

The spring back is strong enough that you can hang the camera vertically from one borehole, and thread the cable release through the other one! Or you can possibly stuff both through one borehole—if you have a narrow strap and cable release, it's a real possibility.

I'll make it work. Maybe I'll carry it on a wrist strap where it will look kind of like a Texas Leica. By the way, what do people say to you when they see you shooting with that thing? Last week, someone looked at my Rolleiflex and said: "Hasselblad?". I said no. He said, "Are you pulling film through that like in the old days?" LOL. No, I just like hanging heavy metal boxes from my neck as jewelry.

I like your inclusion of the sport finder, with its use of the best medium to look through, air.

Larry

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 10:11

I'll make it work. Maybe I'll carry it on a wrist strap where it will look kind of like a Texas Leica. By the way, what do people say to you when they see you shooting with that thing? Last week, someone looked at my Rolleiflex and said: "Hasselblad?". I said no. He said, "Are you pulling film through that like in the old days?" LOL. No, I just like hanging heavy metal boxes from my neck as jewelry.

I like your inclusion of the sport finder, with its use of the best medium to look through, air.

Larry
I haven't had many questions about it while shooting. I got more questions with the Super Graphic handheld, and even more questions when shooting with the Hexar. Go figure!

Rain Dance

2-Apr-2013, 10:21

Pledged, good luck on the funding. :)

adam satushek

2-Apr-2013, 10:23

Awesome, I pledged for a 90mm version. Good luck with the funding, and hope it happens!

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 11:28

Okay, I promise I won't keep bumping this thread, but if you've been on the fence and/or busy with other things, there are only a few Early Bird and camera + lens packages left!

http://kickstarter.com/projects/wanderlust/travelwide-45-camera

Chris A Fraser

2-Apr-2013, 11:36

I just pledged for a 90mm

I am excited, I have been following the thread for about a month now.

I have also started spreading the word over at www.filmwasters.com I think there may be a few people interested over there, pop by and say hello

Chris "happy to be on board" Fraser

WayneStevenson

2-Apr-2013, 11:40

After all the excitement, support, and anticipation, all the damn earlybirds are gone? Well that was a pretty disappointing wait. :(

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 11:42

Frank_E

2-Apr-2013, 11:51

Ok I'm in

and have also done a post about the Kickstarter thread on the Film And Darkroom User Group. I hope this gets as much publicity as possible so that it becomes a reality.

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 11:56

So what viewfinder were you using in the photos/video Ben? It's obviously a Voigtlander, but what FL? I have a 25mm one from a rangefinder lens that I guess would work great for this if I mask the edges of the 35mm frame. I've always felt 90mm was a tad wider than "28mm equivalent."

I'm glad I picked up one of those Blik rangefinders on eBay last week for $10!!
Yeah, I love those Blik RFs!

I am using a Voigtländer viewfinder, but which one to get will depend on the dimension that you want to go by, since it's marked for 2x3 aspect ratio (35mm) instead of 4x5. So 90mm is roughly equivalent to 28mm in the horizontal dimension, but closer to 21mm for the vertical dimension. So I decided to get the 21mm viewfinder, because I'm usually more concerned with whether I can fit things in the frame vertically. Ack, sorry for the long response!

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 12:06

No, thanks for the detailed response.

Well I have both a 21mm and 25mm VF, so I'll just have to slap the ground glass on it and see which fits best for me!

Larry Kellogg

2-Apr-2013, 12:07

I haven't had many questions about it while shooting. I got more questions with the Super Graphic handheld, and even more questions when shooting with the Hexar. Go figure!

Really, with the Hexar? I thought that was supposed to be a super-stealthy street camera, LOL. I almost got one of those. I have a Contax G2, which has people have asked about, as it does look kind of unusual. I think people notice any kind of camera, they're very conditioned these days to pay attention when someone is photographing. My best chance for candids is by using a film camera as a decoy while I shoot with my iPhone.

Larry

Larry Kellogg

2-Apr-2013, 12:10

No, thanks for the detailed response.

Well I have both a 21mm and 25mm VF, so I'll just have to slap the ground glass on it and see which fits best for me!

Neat, I just found one of those 21mm finders in my camera drawer so I'll go with that. Does the camera come with a plastic ground glass? I don't know how much I will use it on a tripod. Maybe we should figure out a light tripod option to go with this camera.

Larry

dave_whatever

2-Apr-2013, 12:11

According to Schneider's data, the 65mm f/8 SA has a FFD of 70.5mm, while the 58mm XL has a FFD of 70mm, so it should work essentially the same??

The Nikkor 64mm f/4 also has a very similar flange distance, so I may well order a 65mm to use with mine.

Ben, I pledged for a 90mm, I hope this thing flies as its a great idea all round and clearly very well thought out.

Nicolasllasera

2-Apr-2013, 12:11

I already got mine. I think I was the second early bird!

After reading all of the kickstarter I havent seen you guys mention the tripod screw. Do it have one?

Thanks for all the work and good luck with the funding.

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 12:11

Yes, in the description it says it has a slip-in ground glass for more considered composition.

Nicolasllasera

2-Apr-2013, 12:11

I also have a 58mm XL and hope you guys come out with one.

Tracy Storer

2-Apr-2013, 12:18

I am very excited about this, I'm not at all surprised all the early bird rewards were gone in under three hours, hey, you're like 10% there in a little over three hours.
ROCK ON FELLAS ! I will tell my friends.

Larry Kellogg

2-Apr-2013, 12:27

I think you guys have got to crank up the PR machine. $75k looks like kind of a tough nut to crack. How about we list the forums where you should start threads.

Say:

Photo.net

....

Nicolasllasera

2-Apr-2013, 12:29

Im opening a thread in a Spanish forum that based in medium format and large format. So far we are two from there with a Travelwide!

Www.formatomedio.eu

rdenney

2-Apr-2013, 12:30

Ben, I'm completely new to Kickstarter. I was first in line for the earlybird special on the 90, but I would also like the 65. When I try to choose the 65, it unchooses my pledge for the 90, and I sure don't want to do that. What do you suggest? If necessary, I'll create a login for my wife, but she doesn't have an Amazon account and it will all be fiction--enough fiction to get me in trouble with Amazon, maybe.

Rick "hoping for guidance" Denney

dave_whatever

2-Apr-2013, 12:37

To add to what Rick says, I was also going to do the double, but wasn't sure how it would work, or if it would consolidate the overseas postage (it can't cost $80 to post two of these to the UK, shirley...) so I've had to hang fire on the 65.

Nicolasllasera

2-Apr-2013, 12:41

Also interested in the 65mm.

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 13:05

Hi guys. We're blown away! Over 10% in just over 3 hours!

We hear you about the 65, so we created a new reward level:
One Travelwide 90 and one Travelwide 65 for $189.

Keep in mind that if you got in at the Early Bird or Super Early Bird level, you'll lose that particular discount. But it's still a good deal! :) Free shipping in the US, which we won't be able to do with the production version. And if you're outside the US, the new package is cheaper than ordering a 90 and 65 separately from two accounts.

Thanks again everyone! Keep spreading the word!

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 13:05

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 13:17

Oren Grad

2-Apr-2013, 13:18

Okay, so to fund this project you have to pre-sell 750 cameras.

I'm counting about 5-10 90mm Angulons or equivalent on the market between eBay and KEH. I guess most folks already have a lens? Otherwise, 90mm Angulons might be spiking in price real soon...

Well, there are also Optars, and probably some other press-camera 90's, and I think we've established that you can fit a 90/8 or 90/6.8 SA, Grandagon, etc., albeit at some cost to the elegance of the design. And some of the load can be carried by the 65's.

Just need to convince everybody who has one of the usable lenses that they need one of these as an inexpensive, fun accessory.

Probably need to promote this heavily to the pinholers as well - at the price it's a reasonable deal for them too.

EDIT: OK, I see you said "Angulons or equivalent". Anyway, everyone tell all your pinhole friends. :)

BarryS

2-Apr-2013, 13:23

Okay, so to fund this project you have to pre-sell 750 cameras.

I'm counting about 5-10 90mm Angulons or equivalent on the market between eBay and KEH. I guess most folks already have a lens? Otherwise, 90mm Angulons might be spiking in price real soon...

At this point, they need to sell roughly 650 more cameras. That's a lot of cameras--regardless of the price. It might have been a good idea to include a pinhole with the cameras (and pitch that harder). Ilford's Walker pinhole cameras have been selling fairly well at over 2X the price of the Wanderlust.

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 13:24

Yeah, I'm a bit worried about the market for Angulons. Hopefully if they start to go for $250 or more, people will start digging them out of their closets and selling them. I have a feeling there are a ton out there that are just sitting in drawers.

Yeah that might be what happens.

Just an idle thought. I think you guys nailed it by having the pinhole possibility!

I've been talking to a bunch of photography students today and many were interested (including the digital folks!).

So what exactly are you guys using for the pinhole image on the KS? If that accessory is included, I didn't catch that from your write-up.

Oren Grad

2-Apr-2013, 13:28

It might have been a good idea to include a pinhole with the cameras (and pitch that harder). Ilford's Walker pinhole cameras have been selling fairly well at over 2X the price of the Wanderlust.

How much work and how much time would it take to be able to toss in a couple of pinhole-ish reward options - say pinholes or zone plates pre-mounted on a piece of plastic that will attach easily to the lens opening?

(Question for Ben, of course, not Barry.)

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 13:30

Yes Oren I was talking about all the little press-type 90s. I would use my 90/8 Nikkor if I didn't have an Angulon but I'm thinking a big segment of the market for this camera is the medium format shooter who has no lenses for 4x5. Or maybe not? Several digital-only folks have been interested though when I told them about it as well!

Speaking of Optars, here's a nice one for cheap on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wide-Angle-90mm-Graflex-Optar-6-8-in-Wollensak-Graphex-Shutter-/160997242228?pt=US_Vintage_Cameras&hash=item257c2ef574

BarryS

2-Apr-2013, 14:19

{facepalms} You guys had a previous successful kickstarter with a pinhole cap for digital cameras! You need to make that an option for the Travelwide as soon as possible. People want something they can use out of the box--did you see how fast those TW/angulon packages went? The pinhole also keeps the overall cost low.

Lachlan 717

2-Apr-2013, 14:54

BarryS

2-Apr-2013, 15:06

The incentive is--there won't be any cameras if the pledges fall short. Since you won't get charged unless the KS is successful, there's no upside (and considerable downside) to waiting. $99 is a very good deal for the camera.

Unfortunately, with all of the Earlybird offers gone (damned time zone differences), the main option now is to buy a camera at the same price it will be if/when the Kickstart is successful.

There just doesn't seem to be an incentive to pledge with this in mind. Seems just as easy to wait for a production model to come out, albeit with the possibility of a waiting period whilst pledged orders are fulfilled.

Am I missing something?

Oren Grad

2-Apr-2013, 15:08

Unfortunately, with all of the Earlybird offers gone (damned time zone differences), the main option now is to buy a camera at the same price it will be if/when the Kickstart is successful.

There just doesn't seem to be an incentive to pledge with this in mind. Seems just as easy to wait for a production model to come out, albeit with the possibility of a waiting period whilst pledged orders are fulfilled.

Am I missing something?

Yes. Odds are there won't be a production model unless everybody pitches in now. There have been no backers at any of the higher, more philanthropic reward levels yet. And at $99 per, $75K is still far away. So if you want to see it made, please step up.

Larry Kellogg

2-Apr-2013, 15:09

The trouble is that if everybody waits for production to buy, there will probably be no production because the $75k will not be raised. In that case, none of us will get a camera and refunds will be issued.

That's how I understand it.

Larry

Oren Grad

2-Apr-2013, 15:13

munz6869

2-Apr-2013, 16:09

I'm a timezone disadvantaged LF-er, and I've pledged my $99... I'm sure I have a 90mm lens here somewhere.

Marc!

Larry Kellogg

2-Apr-2013, 16:10

Your credit card doesn't get charged at all unless and until the target is met. So no need for refunds if the campaign falls short.

Ah, right, thanks for pointing that out. It all makes perfect sense.

I just pitched the camera at my photo lab and showed the video to a 4x5 shooter who was there picking up her work. Her eyes bugged out and she said: "Crazy!", so perhaps I got you another backer, LOL. The lab guy was also interested and will spread the word to other people.

I think you guys need to come up with a list of alternate 90mm lenses that will work with the camera, to help people who can't get ahold of an Angulon.

Larry

Vascilli

2-Apr-2013, 16:49

Put my order in this morning. Bummed out about missing the early-earylbird special but I'll take a slight discount. $40 for international shipping? Ouch. :(

Tin Can

2-Apr-2013, 16:51

I have to question the lens selections for this number of cameras. Ebay, KEH and everyone else will be sold out of the selected lenses long before you reach your goal. I admire your effort. I have well over 50 lenses and none are any good for this camera. My three 90's are all the big double 'horn' affairs that just won't work. I don't want to buy another 90.

I am sure there are many more American Press camera lenses out there, you could have chosen, rather than what you have chosen. I only saw you initial post today, as I am Jonny come lately. I wonder who decided there was 750 of this type lens ready to use...with camera buyers.

Great idea, I want you to succeed, but I don't have a lens.

Good luck!

Now let the hammering begin...

JohnnyGator

2-Apr-2013, 17:18

Arg! I had jaw surgery this morning and missed the early bird special! I just bought the 65 but I may wait to see if the project gets funded before finding a lens...

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 17:32

Randy, I brought up those same concerns, but I'm guessing it's not nearly as big a deal as you or I thought. I would bet most shooters with an f/8 "double horn" as you put it will simply use that instead (which brings me to ask, did you in fact know that you can use those on this camera?). The problem is the MF folks deciding to try sheet film. They will all need lenses.

Considering the Optar 90mm I linked is still for sale I'm guessing the 100+ backers aren't exactly scrambling for 90mm press lenses. We'll see how it pans out, but I definitely do agree that the pinhole option should be expanded upon, especially since it could easily beat the Harman model at it's own game for way cheaper.

Regardless, getting 1/5 of the necessary monetary support in one day, as it's shaping up to do, is certainly a positive start!

Tin Can

2-Apr-2013, 17:50

Coran, I know my lenses would work, but how awkward is that. I would worry about damage. My Horseman HD is pretty small, has GG and the lens, while not a 90, but 150, a small 120, reversed fits folded.

As I sit here fondling a Polaroid MP3 135 Tominon, in shutter with helicold mount, I only need a box. Better still how about a Calumet C1 8X10 back fitted easily to a wood box and a Nikon SW 120. I digress.

We have 2600 actives here at LFF. Do we have 750 buyers?

I hear of most MF shooters simply skipping 4X5 and going for 8X10. Myself I am preferring 2x3 and 5x7. Hush, don't talk about X-Ray film, the next big thing...

Larry Kellogg

2-Apr-2013, 17:51

Thalmann says that lens was in production for 40 years:

"90mm f6.8 Schneider Angulon: When considering compact wide angles for 4x5 field use, the venerable 90mm Angulon is probably the first that comes to mind. At about 130g with a 40.5mm filter size, it definitely qualifies as compact and lightweight. It was in production for nearly 40 years (early 1930s - about 1970). The design is derived from the classic Goerz Dagor, consisting of six elements in two groups. "

from: http://www.thalmann.com/largeformat/wide.htm

There must be lots of them sitting in drawers. How many do you think they made in 40 years?

Larry

Tin Can

2-Apr-2013, 17:53

Yes, of course. Who is opening the drawers?

Larry Kellogg

2-Apr-2013, 17:58

I hear of most MF shooters simply skipping 4X5 and going for 8X10. Myself I am preferring 2x3 and 5x7. Hush, don't talk about X-Ray film, the next big thing...

Really, medium format shooters are going straight to 8x10? Wow. Can people afford that cost per exposure, and deal with the weight? I think I read on here about some guy who gave up on 8x10 because he was a nervous wreck with each shot.

I'm a medium format shooter who just switched to 4x5 and do not see making the leap to 8x10. I'm working on convincing digital shooters that 4x5 is a viable format. Some guy told me that he would be all over large format digital if it existed, ha ha. I pointed him at the world's largest 8x10" sensor: http://gizmodo.com/5834699/this-is-the-largest-camera-sensor-in-the-world available for a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Even a high-end Hasselblad outfit will set you back $30-50k.

Van-based wet plate photography is the future. $500 per exposure.

http://vimeo.com/39578584

Larry

Tin Can

2-Apr-2013, 18:00

Sorry, I was talking art students. I just sold 3 8X10's to art students.

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 18:12

Perhaps your personal experience differs but I highly doubt that 8x10s are selling in droves to the art student crowd, stepping up from MF. I mean, consider that the #1 "art" camera is the Holga.

Regardless - might I suggest buying one of these, fashioning a small extension tube, and plopping your 135mm lens and focus helical on it? They mentioned designing it as a base for other projects as well.

Larry Kellogg

2-Apr-2013, 18:17

Perhaps your personal experience differs but I highly doubt that 8x10s are selling in droves to the art student crowd, stepping up from MF. I mean, consider that the #1 "art" camera is the Holga.

LOL, I would tend to agree. I can't believe all art students have trust funds and can afford to shoot 8x10. I know someone at Tisch in New York. He is shooting 4x5. I sent him the link to the Wanderlust so perhaps he will spread the word.

Regardless - might I suggest buying one of these, fashioning a small extension tube, and plopping your 135mm lens and focus helical on it? They mentioned designing it as a base for other projects as well.

This is the ticket! The person at my lab, who looked to be a photography student, mentioned that she has a 125mm but no 90mm. By the way, she told me she was shooting a Cambo 4x5.

Larry

jnl

2-Apr-2013, 18:24

One $69.00 spot opened up. http://kck.st/Ytt3wl

update:gone

Tin Can

2-Apr-2013, 18:25

I don't find serious students shooting Holga.

I am sorry, I don't need this camera.

I truly hope they make it.

Bryan, Checked out your Aero Lens SG. I have a 3" f4.5 Pacific Optical Aero lens, I need to mount. I am far more likely to do that for a point and shoot, just as you have done.

Corran

2-Apr-2013, 18:35

:)
The funny thing is I sold that monster and bought a converted Polaroid that I like a lot more. It's smaller, lighter, faster, more portable, and I shoot with it more. I had the Aero Speed for a year and used it like 5 times.
I'd imagine I'd feel the same about a massive Biogon clone shoehorned onto a Speed. Looks cool, takes nice photos, but, too much trouble to use! I'm in love with the Wanderlust and I haven't even gotten it.

Different strokes, etc...however I think your Holga comment is completely unfounded and inappropriate. The camera doesn't matter, as much as many of us would like it to. I've seen better work from someone with a Holga than a lot of 8x10 work here. It's the vision and artistry that makes a great photo. A friend of mine just won an All-Media competition with a small 8x10 ink print from a Holga negative scanned on a flatbed. I've never been so humbled but I'm really proud of her. I really feel that assuming Holga users are not "serious" smacks of elitism.

Anyway I'll get off my soapbox.

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 18:35

I'm sure this camera is not for everyone... But we did choose the #1 most popular 90mm lens to base the camera on. And you can use many, many different 90s on this.

I love the Holga, but look at our sample photos. Does that look like a Holga to you? :)

Andrew O'Neill

2-Apr-2013, 18:39

I'm trying to pledge $99 but since I live outside US (Canada), it wants another $40 for shipping. I have an address in the US that I ship to. Can't I still have it shipped to that address instead?

Tin Can

2-Apr-2013, 18:44

oops, gotta go, there's another NOT ART student buying an 8X10. I tell you guys it is a phenomena.

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 18:44

I'm trying to pledge $99 but since I live outside US (Canada), it wants another $40 for shipping. I have an address in the US that I ship to. Can't I still have it shipped to that address instead?
Andrew, that stuff is unfortunately beyond our control. If you can get it to recognize your US shipping address, you should be all set. Otherwise, set your pledge to $99 and send us a Message on Kickstarter. I'm sure we can work it out. :)

Andrew O'Neill

2-Apr-2013, 18:45

okee dokee will do, thanks!

Andrew O'Neill

2-Apr-2013, 18:47

ooh, there was a little button that allowed me to change shipping to the US. Thanks!

Andrew O'Neill

2-Apr-2013, 18:49

Okay I did it! I hope this is a success! Ben is this also over at apug?

BarryS

2-Apr-2013, 18:52

Okay I did it! I hope this is a success! Ben is this also over at apug?

I posted over on APUG.

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 18:54

I posted over on APUG.
I'm not a regular on APUG, so it would look suspicious if I started posting over there all of a sudden. I'll leave it to you guys! Hopefully those folks will be excited about it too.

rustyair

2-Apr-2013, 21:19

Does anyone know if my fujinon sw 90mm f9 will fit?

Ben Syverson

2-Apr-2013, 21:26

Does anyone know if my fujinon sw 90mm f9 will fit?
According to Kerry Thalmann, the Fujinon SW 90mm ƒ/8 has a FFD of 99.2mm, so it should fit fine. You'll need to adjust the focus marker using the supplied instructions. Great lens!

dave_whatever

3-Apr-2013, 01:13

I don't think all this panic about running out of lenses is justified, like someone else said Schneider probably made more angulons than you can shake a stick at.

So for 90mms you've got the angulons, any 90/8 by Fuji/Nikon/Schneider (again this amounts to thousands of lenses) plus the Grandagon 90/6.8, the equivalent caltar, the 90 optar, Congo, and the 89mm wray, and if I remember the helical range that Ben quoted then it would also work with a WF ektar 100mm, and 100/105mm plasmats (assuming they just cover 4x5 straight on). Maybe the geronar-WA would work if you can carve out the hole to copal 3?

There must be tons more too.

Larry Kellogg

3-Apr-2013, 05:34

The spring back is strong enough that you can hang the camera vertically from one borehole, and thread the cable release through the other one! Or you can possibly stuff both through one borehole—if you have a narrow strap and cable release, it's a real possibility.

I think these Hama split rings (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Hama+split+rings&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=) may be just the thing to fit in the hole with the cable release, instead of trying to stuff a strap through there with the cable release.

Larry

WayneStevenson

3-Apr-2013, 07:05

"I don't think all this panic about running out of lenses is justified, like someone else said Schneider probably made more angulons than you can shake a stick at."

That doesn't mean that they're ever going to be available on the used market. I think it's safe to say that the majority of 90mm lenses in the world are owned by FORMER photographers or their families and chances are will end up in a landfill before they'll end up with another photographer.

It's an aging demographic and if they haven't ended up in the hands of another photographer, or on eBay or in used camera stores by now, there is little chance they ever will.

WayneStevenson

3-Apr-2013, 07:06

But brand new 90mm Super Angulons are under $2000. So if you don't already own one, it's a great investment. ;)

Just means that you're not going to end up with a $400 4x5 camera. Hah.

Larry Kellogg

3-Apr-2013, 07:25

I don't know, people are pretty good at figuring out the value of things. It only takes ten seconds on the bay to figure out that Angulons have a resale value. Look at all of the used cameras and lenses on that site, many of them from estates. Besides, there are plenty of other lens options, as pointed out by Dave. Nice work on your website, by the way, Dave.

I think getting some kind of strap on the camera is critical so that your $2000 Super Angulon doesn't go nose first into the pavement when you drop the camera. The polycarbonate looks to be pretty grippy so perhaps it is fine to walk around holding it. I would still use a wrist strap for backup.

BarryS

3-Apr-2013, 07:47

The beauty of the TW is it's very hackable. Want some separate strap lugs?--epoxy them on. Making a lens cone or a recessed mount doesn't seem like a big deal.

WayneStevenson

3-Apr-2013, 08:39

"I don't know, people are pretty good at figuring out the value of things. It only takes ten seconds on the bay to figure out that Angulons have a resale value."

If they haven't needed the money by now.........

Not to derail this conversation but people are motivated by need. Unless they need money, they're not looking for things to sell so they're not going to be looking up the value of their old camera gear that isn't getting used and most people are going to assume it's worthless as it isn't digital.

I have plenty of things with value but selling them on classified ads or eBay isn't a hobby of mine. As long as I don't need the money I'm either keeping them or they're going in the garbage. I think most people are like that.

Ben Syverson

3-Apr-2013, 08:45

Wayne, I'm confused... I see these 90s come up all the time. There are a lot more than 750 of them out there. What makes you think the market will magically dry up now?

Corran

3-Apr-2013, 09:16

Big thumbs up on the first update! Ben, you should start thinking about the "stretch goals" you could come up with. I honestly right now don't see you guys having any trouble meeting your goal.

Ben Syverson

3-Apr-2013, 09:18

Hi guys, we just posted an update: the Travelwide will ship with a pinhole. So even if every 90mm lens in the world disappears, you'll still be able to make images.

Keep in mind that we're at the same price point as Ilford's pinhole box camera, but the Travelwide is substantially better in a number of ways. Travelwide actually makes a great pinhole camera.

Tin Can

3-Apr-2013, 09:39

Great,

I was one of the biggest naysayers yesterday. I just joined your venture. Pin hole is smart move. I shared to my facebook and endorsed you. I am in Chicago also.

Good luck!

Hi guys, we just posted an update: the Travelwide will ship with a pinhole. So even if every 90mm lens in the world disappears, you'll still be able to make images.

Keep in mind that we're at the same price point as Ilford's pinhole box camera, but the Travelwide is substantially better in a number of ways. Travelwide actually makes a great pinhole camera.

AuditorOne

3-Apr-2013, 09:40

I think that is a really good idea to include a pinhole lens. From my perspective the one potential flaw in your business plan is your reliance on used lenses. I love the idea of your camera, and I have already pledged my money (though I missed the early bird special) because I have a nice, Linhof select, 90mm Angulon. But whether these lenses are plentiful or scarce on the used market is really not the point. The point is, they are used. This brings the possibility of not only cosmetic problems but operational issues as well. Scratched or chipped glass, faulty shutters, etc. Not to mention having to understand at least a bit about mounting lenses on a large format camera. I see questions on forums all the time regarding getting a lens onto or off of a modern DSLR.

The ideal of course would be to locate a new lens that will fit and then sell a version of your camera with that lens installed. Of course that will bump up the price but I do believe that you need to continue exploring that option.

Corran

3-Apr-2013, 09:43

He had some available with a 90 or 65, but they went fast!

BarryS

3-Apr-2013, 09:56

Ben Syverson

3-Apr-2013, 10:03

The ideal of course would be to locate a new lens that will fit and then sell a version of your camera with that lens installed. Of course that will bump up the price but I do believe that you need to continue exploring that option.
Sure, we could do that. The camera would go from $99 to $1800. Sorry, but that's the financial reality of "New" large format lenses (besides, most of those lenses are probably "new old stock.").

And believe it or not, but we've also worked with a lens designer on a couple custom projects, so we know what's involved with creating a new lens from scratch. It's possible, but it's a question of money. If the Travelwide is wildly successful, we'll take a look.

For now, it makes more sense to direct people to the many, many sub-$200 90mm lenses already out there on the used market. Most of us on this forum (myself included) can't afford "new" LF lenses, so all of our lenses are used. When they're taken care of, LF lenses and shutters last decades.

Ben Syverson

3-Apr-2013, 10:04

Excellent news on the pinholes! I think these will make really terrific pinhole cameras and it should help in reaching the pledge goal. You've sold nearly 200 cameras in about a day and that's amazing. Not sure if this is feasible, but some kickstarters have reseller packs at a discount off the regular price--something like 10 cameras at 20% off might work.
Thanks Barry! We're seriously grateful to everyone here for helping to get the word out.

Unfortunately, Kickstarter has banned multiple quantities and reseller packs. We can't even sell you two of the same camera.