Kodak might file Bankruptcy.

[minesix66]

Here is the link

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Kodak-shares-plunge-as-apf-977189236.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=

[John NYC]

There are several threads already on this from Friday. Check the business forum.

[Michael Kadillak]

At this point I almost want them to get it over with so we can all move on. I can only hope that some entity picks up the film division before they turn the lights out.

[Gary L. Quay]

I can think of quite a number of workers in Rochester, NY who could really stand to still have a job, as well as a lot of retirees who need their pensions. I plan to buy as much Kodak film as I can. Nobody else makes color film in 8x10. I doubt that their film division will ever be picked up by anyone, so we need Kodak to survive. Use it or lose it.

--Gary


At this point I almost want them to get it over with so we can all move on. I can only hope that some entity picks up the film division before they turn the lights out.

[Sal Santamaura]

...Nobody else makes color film in 8x10...??

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/708385-REG/Fujifilm_16010332_RDP_III_8_x_10.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/708377-USA/Fujifilm_16010368_RVP_8_x_10.html

http://www.japanexposures.com/shop/product_info.php?currency=USD&cPath=25&products_id=207

[John NYC]

??

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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/708377-USA/Fujifilm_16010368_RVP_8_x_10.html

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Sal... Are you kidding? $400 for twenty sheets of neg film. Kodak is $240 for two boxes of ten. It is not like that is interchangeable. Do you shoot 8x10 color yourself?

[Sal Santamaura]

Sal... Are you kidding? $400 for twenty sheets of neg film. Kodak is $240 for two boxes of ten. It is not like that is interchangeable. Do you shoot 8x10 color yourself?No, I don't shoot 8x10 color. About the only color I shoot on film any longer is 120; the 645 transparencies get mounted and projected. If Kodak ceases operations, I might freeze some 120 E100G, but not much. I'm not confident that E-6 processing will be available for too many more years.

Gary said nobody makes 8x10 color film. He didn't specify a price and he didn't specify negative. I linked to three different Fuji 8x10 color films available for purchase. Why would I be kidding?

[cosmicexplosion]

the bh photo is 20 sheets fuji colour for $169

dont mean to be accurate

[Allen in Montreal]

I can think of quite a number of workers in Rochester, NY who could really stand to still have a job, as well as a lot of retirees who need their pensions. I plan to buy as much Kodak film as I can. Nobody else makes color film in 8x10. I doubt that their film division will ever be picked up by anyone, so we need Kodak to survive. Use it or lose it.

--Gary

Gary,

A few years ago my blood pressure would have shot through the roof at even a hint of Kodak going down.

Maybe this is a good thing in that the management team should get purged and someone with some sort of sense will take the helm.
Kodak, imho, was one of the few truly great companies to deal with. The last few years have shown us a new face, that frankly, should go bury their heads it the sand.
Maybe I am dreaming in Technicolor (1930s Kodak reference here :) ) that Kodak can be saved once the fools that currently line "Mahogany Row" are replaced and a leaner smarter Kodak resurfaces.

The annual report shows they spent 19 million in R+D in the film division.
And some moron marketing VP makes 5x7 and 8x10 T-400 ver 2 a special order item!!:mad: :mad:

7 billion in sales in 2010.
1.7 billion from the photo division (down 22%)

Someone will pick them up,
and maybe, like Ilford a few years ago, a newer, leaner, wiser company will emerge.

Kodak has great products,
and stupid managers!

[John NYC]

the bh photo is 20 sheets fuji colour for $169

dont mean to be accurate

That is ok, since you are not being accurate. :cool: BH does not currently carry 8x10 color NEGATIVE film. The price you got there is for slide film.

[Daniel Stone]

John,

if you're referring to Fuji, then yes. No 8x10 FUJI color negative at B+H.

However, their website is showing KODAK Portra 400 AND 160 in stock currently.

-Dan

[John NYC]

John,

if you're referring to Fuji, then yes. No 8x10 FUJI color negative at B+H.

However, their website is showing KODAK Portra 400 AND 160 in stock currently.

-Dan

Yes, the post was in response to another about no one else (but Kodak) making color film. I shoot E100G and (now) Portra 400 in 8x10 for color. So, I will sorely miss Kodak color slide and NEG if it goes away.

[moltogordo]

Sad. I'm glad that D76 and Dektol formulas are published. But what'll we do without Tri-X? Especially in (horrors) 35mm?:eek:

[Kevin M Bourque]

"Bankrupt" doesn't necessarily mean "out of business", of course.

[Allen in Montreal]

"Bankrupt" doesn't necessarily mean "out of business", of course.

A certainly not when the annual sales are over 7 billion.
The question is only what emerges from the restructuring.

[John NYC]

A certainly not when the annual sales are over 7 billion.
The question is only what emerges from the restructuring.

That is operating revenue. Net income was negative three quarters of a billion. Three years of substantially growing losses. If you are in that situation, you are in trouble no matter what your gross is.

But yes, bankruptcy doesn't mean out of business.

[David Luttmann]

Sad. I'm glad that D76 and Dektol formulas are published. But what'll we do without Tri-X? Especially in (horrors) 35mm?:eek:

Ilford HP5 is a superb emulsion in 35mm.

[Roger Cole]

Ilford HP5 is a superb emulsion in 35mm.

It is, I just don't want to lose my Tri-X/Diafine combination. It's a good 2/3s to 1 stop usable speed faster than HP5 in Diafine, and that makes a difference. I never go to TMZ until I need 3200.

But, not a deal breaker. I can always use a larger negative to make up for more grain in tiny sizes, especially at today's medium format prices. Delta 3200 is nice in MF when you need "available darkness."

[David Luttmann]

Agreed Roger. For me, it HP5 in HC110 Dil B....for iso 650.

[Roger Cole]

I've hashed it out before and took some flak for suggesting that if TMY-2 goes away Ilford will probably produce Delta 400 in sheets again (they were rumored to be considering it after Kodak canceled TMY-2 in sizes larger than 4x5) but the facts boil down to this: in black and white there are a few Kodak products I'd miss, but nothing catastrophic. My black and white life would need some slight adjustment but would pretty much go on unaffected. Color is a very different thing.

Of course, Kodak filing bankruptcy is a long way from their products all going away. The ideal solution of someone buying off the film/analog side of the business could be rosy, if unlikely. Heck, while I'm pipe dreaming, maybe someone will do that and bring back Kodachrome! In 120! Heck, in sheets! Type R paper!

[and then I woke up]

[moltogordo]

It is, I just don't want to lose my Tri-X/Diafine combination. It's a good 2/3s to 1 stop usable speed faster than HP5 in Diafine, and that makes a difference. I never go to TMZ until I need 3200.

But, not a deal breaker. I can always use a larger negative to make up for more grain in tiny sizes, especially at today's medium format prices. Delta 3200 is nice in MF when you need "available darkness."


Roger - where are you getting diafine? I've got an ersatz formula for it - I understand the "new" diafine (and I don't know where to source it) is also ersatz. True?

[Roger Cole]

Roger - where are you getting diafine? I've got an ersatz formula for it - I understand the "new" diafine (and I don't know where to source it) is also ersatz. True?

Seems to be the real thing, works like it always has. Some places have quarts but they cost as much as the gallon from Freestyle:

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/16128-Acufine-Diafine-Film-Developer-to-make-1-gal.?cat_id=301

[moltogordo]

Seems to be the real thing, works like it always has. Some places have quarts but they cost as much as the gallon from Freestyle:

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/16128-Acufine-Diafine-Film-Developer-to-make-1-gal.?cat_id=301


Thanks!

[moltogordo]

Ilford HP5 is a superb emulsion in 35mm.

Absolutely!:) I use HP5 in 35mm, medium format and 4x5, and consider it to be the very best all around b&w film ever.

But Tri-X has a nasty edge to it, is harsher, grainier and is (if developed in Dektol 1:1, overdeveloped and underexposed) the closest thing there is to the old Royal X Pan or Recording 2475 that is currently out there.

If I'm wrong, somebody PLEASE tell me because I want some good old fashioned, ugly as sin grain as big as footballs for certain applications!:eek: :D :eek:

[rdenney]

Absolutely!:) I use HP5 in 35mm, medium format and 4x5, and consider it to be the very best all around b&w film ever.

But Tri-X has a nasty edge to it, is harsher, grainier and is (if developed in Dektol 1:1, overdeveloped and underexposed) the closest thing there is to the old Royal X Pan or Recording 2475 that is currently out there.

If I'm wrong, somebody PLEASE tell me because I want some good old fashioned, ugly as sin grain as big as footballs for certain applications!:eek: :D :eek:

Tri-X, 35mm, in Rodinal. Rodinal will render the grain sharp. If that isn't ugly enough, mix a triple-strength batch of stop bath and get the grain to reticulate.

Rick "who experimented with these approaches in youth, but not on purpose" Denney

[Daniel Stone]

use some D-19 with tri-x, that'll get your grain goin :). Or some Tmax 3200 ;). Salt+pepper with almost any developer!

just dial down the potency on dilution. Might take a few rolls for testing to figure out what you want though

-Dan

[Gary L. Quay]

Last time I checked B&H those weren't there. So, Fuji still makes some, if indeed these are still available. I'd still like to keep Rochester workers employed.

--Gary


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