My first carbon fiber tripod

[Bill_1856]

My first carbon-fiber tripod (Manfrotto 190CXPro4) arrived today from B&H. The choice was based on weight, height, capacity, and requirement of flip locks. The head is a medium size Linhof pan/tilt for a total weight of 4#. My 4x5 Nagaoka weighs 2.5#, and another 0.5# for a Polyplast casket set, well within the advertised 11# capacity.
Frankly, it seems very frail compared to the many aluminum ones that I've had in the past, especially that tiny little center column. My beloved old rock-steady Tiltall is only 6#, (but the twist locks kill my hands). I feel very guilty about spending over $300 just to save two pounds.
Is this what I should expect? Are carbon fiber 'pods THAT strong?
Your support (or lack of it) is appreciated.

[jeroldharter]

I have two different sized Feisol. Even the one that weighs under 3 pounds is solid. I thought I would prefer flip locks too, but the twist locks are very good such that I prefer them to my former Manfrotto flip locks. I had a 3021. I would not hesitate to buy another Feisol, which I use for 6x7, 4x5, and 8x10.

[john biskupski]

I have an earlier Manfrotto 190 CF mounted with the 488RC2 head, and frankly the centre column is a joke. I use it with the centre column only with a tiny digital Leica d-lux 3. Unsusable for anything heavier, it waves around like a wand and trembles. That's a problem for taller people as the 190 is not that tall a tripod.

That said, I do not regret the 190, as it is just sufficient (with the centre column well locked down and unused) to hold a Crown Graphic or a Razzle type 4x5 camera, or an old 6x9 folder. For day hikes, that's a nice light combo.

[Greg Lockrey]

My bike has less tubing that my Fiesols and I have no problem trusting it at 25 mph even after 15 years.

[Ari]

I like CF for the weight, but they always seemed prone to bending, even when within weight limits.
The last tripod I bought, I opted for aluminum/magnesium; only $100 price difference (the Al/Mg was on sale) and about 1.5 kg heavier, but it seemed much more solid.
I work in the city, using a car or hand truck, so weight is less of a factor.
That said, a light tripod for a day hike would seem ideal.

[Bill_1856]

I hate to admit it, but it's just too shaky with even a little center column elevation. Bad judgement on my part. Back to B&H it goes, next week.

[Brian Ellis]

A lot of the problem with twist locks and hurting your hand relates to how the locks are designed. The ones on my Gitzo 1325 hurt my hands too because the locks are round and rough and after a day of photography my hands are actually almost raw. The locks on my Feisol are much more pleasant to use, they're smooth but they're easy to turn because they're six sided rather than round.

I have a Gitzo aluminum tripod and the aforementioned two carbon fibers. The aluminum is sturdy but too heavy to carry around easily so I never use it. The CFs are much lighter but seem adequately sturdy.

[Rory_5244]

You could buy the RRS CF tripod for a bazillion dollars, Bill.

[Two23]

A lot of the problem with twist locks and hurting your hand relates to how the locks are designed. The ones on my Gitzo 1325 hurt my hands too because the locks are round and rough and after a day of photography my hands are actually almost raw. .

I've been using a 1325 for about 8-9 years now, almost daily. I love it! Tripod will probably outlast me. I really don't like fliplocks because they always catch on brush etc., and snag on stuff when I take them out of the car. I also have doubts how well they would hold up in the winter conditions I use them in. As for carbon fiber, I think it's great. It just sounds like you need something sturdier. I've heard very mixed reports about Feisol, but there are other brands such as Benro to try also. If you are only going to shoot LF on it, I wouldn't get one that even has a center column. My 1325 doesn't have one and I never missed it, not even for my Nikon stuff. I have a first class ballhead on it, the AcraTech. My suggestion is to go ahead and buy a Gitzo because sooner or later that's what you'll end up doing anyway. If my 1325 were to get lost (I just don't see it breaking, ever) I would watch for another used one and get it. It's rock solid and holds up to daily use in the harsh conditions I throw at it.


Kent in SD

[Scott Davis]

I used to have one of the older Manfrotto 444 (or was it 555?) series CF tripods, which had the flip-locks you like. It wasn't terribly tall, but that was ok as I'm pretty well average height (5'9"-ish). I never did like the flip locks all that much. I also found that I was getting in to bigger cameras and the center column would often rotate while adjusting it because the center column was purely friction-locked.

I recently switched to a bigger Induro CT-314, which can easily handle any of the cameras I travel with, and probably even support my 14x17 on a weight basis (I don't think I'd ever try that combination though for a variety of reasons). The Induro CF 'pods have anti-rotation legs, anti-rotation center column, and the twist-locks which have thumb-sized grooves in them to make them easier to grip when turning. I'd give them a good look-see. If you don't mind buying a used tripod, look around for one of the old Manfrotto 444/555 models - they might be just what you're looking for.

[Brian Ellis]

You could buy the RRS CF tripod for a bazillion dollars, Bill.

I just saw one of these for the first time the other day. Looks like a great tripod (I saw the heaviest version). The person who owned it said it cost about $1,000, which is maybe $300 more than I paid for my Gitzo 10 years ago. If I was in the market for a tripod I'd certainly give it serious consideration.

[Geoffsco]

I bought the heavier RRS tripod (TVC33) a couple of months ago, and have found it is very good. The twist locks are great, very easy to turn, and if they get nudged by accident, there's an additional lock so it won't go over.

[Robert Oliver]

A absolutely love my Feisol.... I originally bought the Bogen 190 too. Was able to sneak the cost of the Feisol past the Missus, would have been a little tougher with the comparable Gitzo series. I've owned Gitzos in the past and was never really that happy with them. I got my Feisol and ReallyBigCameras.com

I didn't like the Bogen 190 at all. The bottom legs were too thin and working height was too short without center post, and I didn't save that much weight. With center post I found performance horrible.

I've not had a single issue with the Feisol twist locks even after shooting lots of sand dunes, rain and in freezing conditions. I used to hate twist locks because of my experiences with palm grinders on the Tiltall.

[Steve M Hostetter]

A lot of the problem with twist locks and hurting your hand relates to how the locks are designed. The ones on my Gitzo 1325 hurt my hands too because the locks are round and rough and after a day of photography my hands are actually almost raw. The locks on my Feisol are much more pleasant to use, they're smooth but they're easy to turn because they're six sided rather than round.

I have a Gitzo aluminum tripod and the aforementioned two carbon fibers. The aluminum is sturdy but too heavy to carry around easily so I never use it. The CFs are much lighter but seem adequately sturdy.

Your twisting the locks to tight . I had the same problem till I started just snugging the locks

[Jim Noel]

I hate to admit it, but it's just too shaky with even a little center column elevation. Bad judgement on my part. Back to B&H it goes, next week.

Center columns are nothing more than upside down pendulums. No matter the material, they will vibrate. I would never use one, especially with a LF camera, or heavy roll film camera.

[gevalia]

I've been using a 1325 for about 8-9 years now, almost daily. I love it! Tripod will probably outlast me. I really don't like fliplocks because they always catch on brush etc., and snag on stuff when I take them out of the car. I also have doubts how well they would hold up in the winter conditions I use them in. As for carbon fiber, I think it's great. It just sounds like you need something sturdier. I've heard very mixed reports about Feisol, but there are other brands such as Benro to try also. If you are only going to shoot LF on it, I wouldn't get one that even has a center column. My 1325 doesn't have one and I never missed it, not even for my Nikon stuff. I have a first class ballhead on it, the AcraTech. My suggestion is to go ahead and buy a Gitzo because sooner or later that's what you'll end up doing anyway. If my 1325 were to get lost (I just don't see it breaking, ever) I would watch for another used one and get it. It's rock solid and holds up to daily use in the harsh conditions I throw at it.


Kent in SD

I'm going to agree with Kent here. I've gone through a number of tripods. But the reality is you need to absolutely trust your tripod whether you're standing in a bit of water or in a bit of wind. I'm not talking about 30mph winds here - we all know what's reasonable. Like Kent, I bought a 1325 6 years ago and it's just a workhorse. True it cost me a bit more than I wanted to spend but it's 1 thing in my kit that I do not feel like I need to "go better" on.

Ron

[Brian Ellis]

I've been using a 1325 for about 8-9 years now, almost daily. I love it! Tripod will probably outlast me. I really don't like fliplocks because they always catch on brush etc., and snag on stuff when I take them out of the car. I also have doubts how well they would hold up in the winter conditions I use them in. As for carbon fiber, I think it's great. It just sounds like you need something sturdier. I've heard very mixed reports about Feisol, but there are other brands such as Benro to try also. If you are only going to shoot LF on it, I wouldn't get one that even has a center column. My 1325 doesn't have one and I never missed it, not even for my Nikon stuff. I have a first class ballhead on it, the AcraTech. My suggestion is to go ahead and buy a Gitzo because sooner or later that's what you'll end up doing anyway. If my 1325 were to get lost (I just don't see it breaking, ever) I would watch for another used one and get it. It's rock solid and holds up to daily use in the harsh conditions I throw at it.


Kent in SD

Just curious - do you remember where you've heard the "mixed reports" about Feisol? I don't pay too much attention any more but I think I was one of the earlier U.S. purchasers of a Feisol so I used to read quite a bit about them. I thought the praise was virtually unanimous back then.

[Two23]

Just curious - do you remember where you've heard the "mixed reports" about Feisol? I don't pay too much attention any more but I think I was one of the earlier U.S. purchasers of a Feisol so I used to read quite a bit about them. I thought the praise was virtually unanimous back then.


I saw a couple of internet reviewers who reported parts breaking when they tested it. The leg locks are plastic and will snap when it gets decently cold (such as zero F.)


Kent in SD

[evan clarke]

I have been carrying a Gitzo 3540 XLS for a few years now and it's spectacular, light, more than rigid enough for my 11x14 and easy locking..hot or really frigid weather..also has carbide spikes..EC

[J Ney]

I've been mostly happy with my Feisol over the past couple of years and I certainly don't baby it... I have had a couple of issues with them: (a) one of the metal catches that prevent the legs from splaying all the way out randomly came off, (b) for my Feisol head, sometimes the screw that tightens on the quick release plate randomly becomes stuck so incredibly tight that I need pliers to loosen it enough to get my camera off the head (no... I am not over-tightening it).

That being said, I've never had issues with stability even with my 8x10 (I do try to avoid using it in very windy conditions).

[Really Big Cameras]

I saw a couple of internet reviewers who reported parts breaking when they tested it. The leg locks are plastic and will snap when it gets decently cold (such as zero F.)


Kent in SD

Kent,

The twist lock collars on the original Feisol tripods were indeed plastic. They introduced metal twist lock collars for the Traveler and Tournament Class models. In March 2008, the original Standard Class models went through a major upgrade/redesign. They switched those models to metal twist locks at that time. So, every Feisol tripod and monopod made since March 2008 has metal twist lock collars.

Kerry Thalmann
Really Big Cameras
http://reallybigcameras.com

[Brian Ellis]

I saw a couple of internet reviewers who reported parts breaking when they tested it. The leg locks are plastic and will snap when it gets decently cold (such as zero F.)


Kent in SD

Thanks Kent. I can't say as I've ever photographed in zero but I've used mine off and on for about four years, occasionally in what we call "cold" here in Oregon (not zero, we don't call zero "decently" cold, we call it "effing GD cold") and nothing has snapped or broken yet.