8X10 or 4X5

[Randy]

My quandary is strictly economics's.

I have a Shen-Hao 4X5 and 3 or 4 lenses. I enjoy shooting with it.

I also have a bulky, old, and heavy Fulmer & Schwing 8X10 camera and 4 barrel lenses thast I use with a Packard shutter. Honestly, I get more pleasure out of shooting with the 8X10. It's strictly emotional, I'm sure.

Here's my quandary - I am down to my last 20 sheets of 8X10 film. I have always used the cheapest Arista film I could find. That is the only way I could afford to use the camera.

I just priced film at Freestyle sales website and am looking at $99 + shipping for 50 sheets of Arista Ultra EDU 100. That's about double what I paid for Arista 8X10 film about 5 or 6 years ago.

So...if I can't find a more affordable alternative (alternative film or alternative TO film) for shooting with the 8X10, I may as well not keep the thing. I just bought 7 used holders and a Repromaster 213 mm lens and now I find that film is $100+ a box.

Any ideas for me...other than get a better paying job?

[jp]

Maybe earn a few bucks shoveling snow?

$2/sheet for 8x10 film is a bargain. Buy all you can afford NOW. A year from now, you'll be wishing you could buy it for $2/sheet with what's happening to silver prices and logistics costs increased by fuel/terror.

I'd start looking for a 4x5 back for the 8x10 camera if you like using the system but needed cheaper film.

You could also do 8x10 paper negatives or xray film.

[Gem Singer]

If I understand your problem, 8x10 film is now priced beyond your budget.

I'll tell you the same thing I was told many years ago:"If you can't pay, you can't play".

If you want to keep the 8x10 outfit, put on the shelf and wait until your income increases, or find less expensive film.

Shop around. Freestyle's prices are not necessarily the lowest.

Perhaps someone on this forum can offer you some outdated 8x10 film at a reasonable price.

As a last resort, make paper negatives instead of using film.

My father used to say: "Where there's a will, there's a way".

[John Bowen]

Randy,

Perhaps you would like to join us in the Kodak Tmax 400 8x10 special order.....it's ONLY $6.20/sheet + shipping, if you use the coupon and order by 1/15. After that it jumps to $6.90/sheet..... :-)

Were I you, I'd follow jp's advice and pick up all the $2/sheet film you can get your hands on. Yes, all film has about doubled from where it was 5-6 years ago. That is if the film you want still exists.

[Randy]

In other words, your telling me the truth rather than what I want to hear...thanks a lot!

Unfortunately, my income has dropped by almost half over the past three years and I doubt I will see much in the way of recovery. I will explore more options but I could by a lot of 4X5 film if I got rid of the 8X10 gear...I guess :(

[BarryS]

How about shooting x-ray or ortho litho film? X-ray film is comparable in speed (EI 100-200), but has emulsion coated on both sides, so it's necessary to carefully develop it. At $24/box of 100 sheets--it's very affordable. Freestyle is also clearing out their ortho litho film. It's really slow (~EI 6) and also a bit tricky to develop, but it's only coated on one side like normal film and $64/100 sheets.

I've used both types of film and if you can come up with a good developing process and live with an ortho film--the results can be very good.

[jeroldharter]

What about getting a 5x7 or 4x5 reduction back for the 8x10.

That way you could use a smaller format some or most of the time and save the big film for select shots thereby stretching your budget. Or maybe use 4x5 for color, and 8x10 for black and white.

[Gem Singer]

Randy,

You state that we are telling you the truth rather than what you want to hear.

Exactly what do you want to hear?

Is your post a feeler for selling your 8x10 outfit?

[Bruce Watson]

Any ideas for me...other than get a better paying job?

To some extent it depends on how you're printing. Typically 10x8 means contact printing, while 5x4 means enlarging (optical or scanning). I'm pointing this out because how you print has an economic impact of its own that has to be included in your decision making process.

Given that, one possible solution is to stop printing until your fortunes improve. Put the money you save into film and processing. You can always print the good ones later. At least, that's what I keep telling myself. ;)

[Randy]

How about shooting x-ray or ortho litho film?Definitely a thought Barry.


Randy, You state that we are telling you the truth rather than what you want to hear. Exactly what do you want to hear? Is your post a feeler for selling your 8x10 outfit?No, just my attempt at humour. What I want to hear is "Randy, hold on, 8X10 film will soon be down to $.10 a sheet."


What about getting a 5x7 or 4x5 reduction back for the 8x10.Well, I already have a 4X5 camera outfit...but if I didn't, that would be a good option. I do have an old 5X7 back that I could probably adapt to my camera with some work. Will make some measurements.

Thanks for the input folks.

[John Kasaian]

Explore Ortho Litho film---it's excellent, often better for certain subjects (that don't move) and save the panchro stuff for suitable subjects. Try shooting paper negatives.

[ImSoNegative]

i ran into this issue a while back and i shot paper negatives, arista grade 2 paper is like 38.00 a box for 100 shots, i exposed at iso 6 and dev. in dektol. biggest problem is very short latitude, so i tried not to get too much sky in the image, I was pleased with the results. good luck

[Randy]

I have found a few threads that talk about paper negs. Is there much difference in the final results between contact printing the paper neg to make a positive print, and scanning the paper neg and inverting it in PS to make a positive ink-jet print?

[walter23]

Were I you, I'd follow jp's advice and pick up all the $2/sheet film you can get your hands on. Yes, all film has about doubled from where it was 5-6 years ago. That is if the film you want still exists.

B&W film will last much longer than the expiry date. I'm shooting some absolutely ancient 4x5 Ilford FP4+ (found it in some dusty room-temperature bin in a used camera store), in some kind of ancient box with a different logo from the current one (and no code notch) and it makes great results.

[ImSoNegative]

ive done both randy, scanned and contact printed, the difference is minimal is any at all. hardest thing about contact printing is if there is any dodging and burning required, kind of hard to see, though it can be done, give it a try its fun, and if you waste a sheet its only 38 cents rather than 2.00

[John Bowen]

B&W film will last much longer than the expiry date. I'm shooting some absolutely ancient 4x5 Ilford FP4+ (found it in some dusty room-temperature bin in a used camera store), in some kind of ancient box with a different logo from the current one (and no code notch) and it makes great results.

Walter,

Thanks, but you are preaching to the choir. My freezer contains almost 20 years of Tmax400.

[Ari]

You can find Shanghai film on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/25-sheets-SHANGHAI-B-W-8x10-PAN-film-ISO100-TOP-/360330088501?pt=US_Camera_Film&hash=item53e558d035#ht_3717wt_1141

Very well-priced and a pretty decent film; it can easily be used with traditional developers like HC-110 or D-76.

[gliderbee]

You might try this film: http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme/planfilme/8x10-inch/fomapan-100-2032x254cm-50-blatt-8x10.html

I just received a box and have yet to try it (with my new-to-me Toyo 810): waiting for a little bit of sunshine when I'm NOT at work (but tomorrow, whatever the weather, at least ONE picture WILL be taken).

Stefan.

[Armin Seeholzer]

Any ideas for me...other than get a better paying job?

I recomand this one, we need more people using more film!!!!

Cheers Armin

[Wayne]

I agree 2 bucks a sheet is super cheap. Ilford is $3 and going up to $5 soon, if it hasnt already. I haven't used Arista since it ceased being Ilford, but at that price its pretty appealing....except it is probably going to go up by 30 percent at the end of January too.

I wouldn't give up 8x10 if I were you, I'd just shoot less of it. That's what I do. There's no way I'm giving it up the sight of an 8x10 negative, not yet. I might only shoot a few per year but I'm sticking with it.

[gliderbee]

You can check this thread on RRForum:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100332&highlight=fomapan

Look at the last picture: Fomapan in Xtol. Seems fine with me. I use Xtol, so tomorrow I'll know (I hope) :) .

Stefan.