Alternative to Technikardan

[jonathan_lipkin]

As some of you may have guessed, I've been evaluating and testing equipment over the past few months in anticipation of a project.

I'm currently shooting with a Toyo 45, which I love. But, I think I might find myself in situations where I would need to shift the front element from side to side. I have been thinking about shooting crowds watching events, and would like to position myself off to the side so as not to block people's view. I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that front element shift would enable me to shoot from the side and have the image appear to have been shot as though I were in front of the crowd, depending of course on the coverage of the lens.

From my brief search, the only camera I can find is the Technikardan. Is this the best solution. It needs to be portable, so I can't bring a studio camera with me, although I suppose if I were to bring an assistant I could manage.

EDIT: Just found the wista45vx, which looks pretty good, and this one on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Wista-45-Fujinon-150mm-lens-other-extras-/270674148354?pt=Film_Cameras&hash=item3f056fbc02), though not sure it's a vx.

[B.S.Kumar]

I'm not getting this. By "front element shift" I assume you mean shifting the front standard, correct? Doesn't your Toyo have front shift? From what I see here http://www.toyoview.com/ProductInfo/ProductInfo.html front shift and swing is available on all the current Toyo cameras. And AFAIK, almost all field cameras have this movement.

Kumar

[jonathan_lipkin]

Kumar - you are right - there is a bit of shift that I wasn't aware of. It's only about 1/2" though. Do other cameras offer more? (And yes, I meant front standard).

[Frank Petronio]

Yeah but the VX won't buy you much. It sounds like you almost want to see around a corner.

Almost any traditional monorail will have tons of shift, I think the TK has a lot too.

[jonathan_lipkin]

Just found out that the SP has 40mm of shift, so a bit more. Also just realized that I'd have to be sure that the lens would cover that much area.

@Frank, not around corners (like Blade Runner) but enough to shift my apparent position a few feet to one side.

[Oren Grad]

I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that front element shift would enable me to shoot from the side and have the image appear to have been shot as though I were in front of the crowd, depending of course on the coverage of the lens.

Extreme front shift, just as extreme rise/fall, will have obvious effects on the geometry of most scenes. It won't appear that you were taking the picture from a different vantage point - that depends on where the back of the camera sits, not on the relationship between the back and the front - it will just scream "look how much I'm shifted!"

Depending on your taste it might still work as a picture. But the manipulation will be obvious, and a whole series of pictures with extreme horizontal shifts may look contrived, with the special effects distracting from the content.

[Nathan Potter]

The Linhof TK 45 has front standard shift of 50mm to the right and 30mm to the left that is engraved. I sometimes push this even further into the unengraved regions. However it weighs on the order of 6 to 7 pounds; but you get a rock solid unit for the weight. I still tote it around (even backpack it a bit) despite my advanced age. I use them partly for the huge movement capability.

There is a knack to folding it up though - which drives some people crazy til you get use to it.

Nate Potter, Austin TX.

[engl]

You can experiment with shift using your current camera. Use the side tripod hole (if you have one), or "roll" your tripod head 90 degrees. Rise/fall then becomes shift, and you can get an idea for what a composition looks like with a lot of shift.

Personally, I have never used it. Ive been experimenting on the ground glass, but have found the resulting perspective too unnatural for my shots. I'd imagine it to be useful for just very slight composition adjustments, using a few millimeters of movement.

[jp]

I have used a canham 4x5's front shift. I was photographing the side of a building and to get the composition I wanted it meant I'd have to have my reflection in a window that was part of the composition, and I didn't want to be in the photo. I was able to move two feet to the side, shift the front standard, and get the same shape and lines in the viewfinder.

Kinda nice, but not something I'd need on a regular basis, so I don't own a 4x5 built to do that. Apparently the post-WWII speed graphics can shift a little too, but I've never tried it.

[Drew Wiley]

Most monorail type cameras like Sinar have plenty of convenient shift on both front
and rear standards.

[jonathan_lipkin]

Great suggestions all - many thanks.

[Matus Kalisky]

Just a small comment on how the resulting image will look with a side shift - it will be the same like you would take the shot with a wider lens and than would crop a bit form either left or right away. In other words - if you need a lot of shift you will end up with stronger distortions in one side of the image as in the other.

[Heespharm]

As some of you may have guessed, I've been evaluating and testing equipment over the past few months in anticipation of a project.

I'm currently shooting with a Toyo 45, which I love. But, I think I might find myself in situations where I would need to shift the front element from side to side. I have been thinking about shooting crowds watching events, and would like to position myself off to the side so as not to block people's view. I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that front element shift would enable me to shoot from the side and have the image appear to have been shot as though I were in front of the crowd, depending of course on the coverage of the lens.

From my brief search, the only camera I can find is the Technikardan. Is this the best solution. It needs to be portable, so I can't bring a studio camera with me, although I suppose if I were to bring an assistant I could manage.

EDIT: Just found the wista45vx, which looks pretty good, and this one on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Wista-45-Fujinon-150mm-lens-other-extras-/270674148354?pt=Film_Cameras&hash=item3f056fbc02), though not sure it's a vx.


just so you know it's a 45n not 45vx.. the vx has a tab on the side that allows for swing... this one does not... if in doubt ask the seller for the serial number.. the 45N serials end in "N"