Could YOU Please Fill Out Your Public Profile

[Richard K.]

At least the "additional information" part and at least where you are and what equipment you use?

I've read interesting posts so many times and when I try to find out a bit more about you, there's nothing there! It would be nice to know where you live and what formats you use...come on people! :) :D

[Heroique]

I did this the day I joined.

It’s easier to help someone when you know a little about their photo habits & equipment.

And easier to understand the help someone gives you, by looking at theirs!

[Brian Ellis]

IMHO the Forum should require everyone to show their location. It's beyond irritating when someone asks "where can I buy ____" but they don't show where they're located. Happens at least once a week, sometimes once a day.

[Merg Ross]

Of more interest to me, is the work produced by the forum participants. In other words, where can I see the actual results of all the advice and opinions so freely shared? In discussing a visual medium, tech talk is interesting to a point; however, it is the image and its execution that has the real voice.

I'll check my Public Profile.

[rdenney]

Okay, I now have a profile.

Rick "not sure anyone cares, actually" Denney

[Richard K.]

Okay, I now have a profile.

Rick "not sure anyone cares, actually" Denney

Oh but we do....:D

[Jim Galli]

Done. But my signature and my web pages would tell you volumes.

[Richard K.]

Done. But my signature and my web pages would tell you volumes.

Quite so Mr. Galli. It's really the other (because we do kind of have a gist of you! :D ) very interesting but reticent forumers that I was wondering about but thank you for the interesting addition to your profile!!

[Richard K.]

BTW what is that group membership deal and is ANYBODY a member of a public group?!?

[dng88]

Do not understahnd that group part as well.

[Tobias Key]

I've added some things to mine. I must admit the first thing I do if I see a post that's interesting or controversial is to try and find a link to the poster's work. If I can't find anything I normally limit the amount of credence I give to their opinions.

[amac212]

Okay... but this goes against my fine reputation as an avid lurker. ;)

[Scott Walker]

I assumed everyone filled out the information when they joined like I did.....I was surprised to discover that almost no one has even the part of the world they live in filled out.

[Jim Galli]

I think the software has some built in features for groups within the larger group. Over at APUG we started a Tonopah Workshop group that kept everyone current with news and later had a gallery of images that came from the workshop experience. So even if they choose not to exploit that or be exploited by it, the possibility shows up in your profile. My profile at APUG shows I'm in the Petzval group and the Tonopah Workshop group.

[Robert Skeoch]

I thought you knew where I lived. Anyway a great idea. I just up-dated mine.

[Scott Davis]

Ditto. I wasn't aware we had such a thing. Could have been an update to the forum software since I joined (which was a very long time ago).

[Sirius Glass]

Ok, I listed my cameras. Now get off my back! :o

[Merg Ross]

Done. But my signature and my web pages would tell you volumes.

Jim, now that you have divulged your secrets, what do you think of that vintage 1964 Gaevert Contactone?

Merg

[Jim Galli]

Jim, now that you have divulged your secrets, what do you think of that vintage 1964 Gaevert Contactone?

Merg

It is superb. The scary part was I bought a big outfit from a guy not far from you to get the Ries that was with it, and that box of paper was included. I threw it in the trash and thought to myself later, I ought to at least check it. Contactone sounds like it might be a chloride paper like Azo, so I pulled it out of the trash, and exposed a 4X5 neg exactly like I would with AZO and it was perfect. Then I tested for fog and it was perfect. Color me happy! It is Gaevert without the AGFA which dates it at least to 1964.

[Brian C. Miller]

... so I pulled it out of the trash ...

AHA!! That's Jim's real secret! He's been dumpster diving this whole time! Paper, lenses, film, cameras, probably chemicals, too.

Bokometer reading: 0.0.
Everything is clear and in focus.

[Merg Ross]

It is superb. The scary part was I bought a big outfit from a guy not far from you to get the Ries that was with it, and that box of paper was included. I threw it in the trash and thought to myself later, I ought to at least check it. Contactone sounds like it might be a chloride paper like Azo, so I pulled it out of the trash, and exposed a 4X5 neg exactly like I would with AZO and it was perfect. Then I tested for fog and it was perfect. Color me happy! It is Gaevert without the AGFA which dates it at least to 1964.

Lucky you! It was my all time favorite chloride paper; nice surface, too.

[Jerry Bodine]

Updated mine, too.

[Jim Galli]

AHA!!......, probably chemicals, too.


I just finished a 1971 glass bottle with rubber stopper of Rodinal that came with that same purchase. It looked like Coca Cola syrup. Worked fine.

Oh, here we go again...........There's No ♪♪ Rodinal Like ♫ the Old♫♪ Rodinal, that Bold Rodinal...♪ ♫ ♪ we know............

[Andrew O'Neill]

Updated. Thanks for the kick in the bum.

[jeroldharter]

Thanks for the nudge. Mine was way out of date.

[Brian Vuillemenot]

It would be nice to know where you live and what formats you use...come on people! :) :D

Make sure you put your street address, so the criminals will know where to break in to get your great cameras! (Let's hope not!)

[Heespharm]

me three... up... (wait for it).. dated

[Ole Tjugen]

I think mine has enough - if I were to list cameras and other equipment, my tag would be longer than most of my posts!

If anyone needs to know more I am happy to answer any question - if I can.

[Richard K.]

That's more like it boys and girls! See, isn't it funner to at least find out where all the nice people live and how much they've sunk into equipment and how Jim Galli is even further out there than you imagined...:D

BUT...there's a few more of you, isn't there? Well? Come on...don't be shy...

New Rule (with apologies to Bill Maher)...if you just finished reading this you have to update your information!! :eek:

[Roger Thoms]

OK, OK, I did a little updating to conform with the New Rule.

Roger

[eddie]

me three... up... (wait for it).. dated

i love the 1911s as well....see what we can learn....

[Vick Vickery]

Good reminder...went and looked, and mine was a bit out of date, too!

[Ben Syverson]

I added a few bits about the stuff I shoot with most... And I just noticed that I joined the site on Christmas Eve. :)

[Preston]

I just updated mine.

Good idea, Richard.

--P

[Frank Petronio]

I don't care where you live but I'd like to see a small portfolio, Flickr or whatever....

[Jay DeFehr]

I added some bare bones info, in case anyone is interested, but to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure why anyone would be.

[Heroique]

I added some bare bones info, in case anyone is interested, but to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure why anyone would be.

I think the part about your being an oil field worker is unique around here.

:rolleyes:

[MumbleyJoe]

Alright, I added a little more information to my own... but even I got bored when I proofread it. :-P Well, it's there if anyone goes looking.

I too go looking at people's profiles all the time and am disappointed where there's nothing there.

[Jay DeFehr]

I think the part about your being an oil field worker is unique around here.

:rolleyes:

Maybe so. I hope to be a fellow Seattleite soon. It will make my commute much easier, not to mention the innumerable attractions of living in Seattle.

[Ole Tjugen]

I think the part about your being an oil field worker is unique around here.

:rolleyes:

Not quite unique - I work in the oilfields too. 17 years as a servicehand, and 3 1/2 years now as wellsite geologist. :)

[Heroique]

Maybe so. I hope to be a fellow Seattleite soon. It will make my commute much easier, not to mention the innumerable attractions of living in Seattle.

Jay, great news that you’re coming & will add to the Emerald City’s LF population!

Ole, I should have remembered, since I enjoy your scientific comments here on rocks, earthquakes & deep-time geology.

[Andrew O'Neill]

Smart People Live Upwind from Kodak

Frank, it seems that you do care...

[MumbleyJoe]

That's a pretty good Seattle presence just in the last few comments, to my surprise. If I ever actually cross paths with another LF shooter in the city I'll have to introduce myself - there's a pretty good chance it will be one of you. :)

[Jay DeFehr]

Heroique and MumbleyJoe,

Thank you for the warm welcome. I'm very excited about relocating to Seattle, and I look forward to meeting people I've only known online. If this coming summer you should see a tall, gangly fellow shooting an old Graflex SLR in the downtown neighborhoods, I hope you'll say hello, and maybe even agree to sit for a portrait.

[Vlad Soare]

I filled out my location the day I registered, but it didn't occur to me that someone might be interested in anything else about me or my gear.
Done.

[Richard K.]

Come on...any more? :D

[DanK]

I didn't realize there was a place to add ALL that stuff...

I added some...

Dan

[rguinter]

I didn't realize there was a place to add ALL that stuff...

I added some...

Dan

Ditto.

I just added some things too.

Bob G.

[John Powers]

I was disappointed that there was no category for conveyances. After all the threads about baby joggers and vehicle roof tops, we need to add some headings.

John

[Brian C. Miller]

Bump. It's good to know where people are! :)

[Thad Gerheim]

OK, I was negligent. But now I'm a registered large format film offender, just in case you want to know where I've been lurking and the size of my equipment. Please don't laugh when peeking.

[Jim Becia]

Likewise, updated my profile. Jim

[Richard K.]

IT is SO nice to know just a little bit about my fellow LFFs. Now, how about the rest of you...:)

[Brian C. Miller]

bump

[Heroique]

bump

Hi Brian, you don’t say why you’re bumping this, but if it’s because you think more people should write profiles, I’m on your side. It’s an issue that deserves on-going attention.

Below are my thoughts from a more recent thread. One can click the blue arrow to visit that thread, and find additional views, pro and con, to complement the ones here.

And everybody, when you’re done, don’t forget to create a profile, if you think it’s best for your personal situation – or update the one you already have. If not, one respects your choice.


Every member should create a profile w/ as much information as they feel comfortable providing; no member should be required to create one – not even in “skeletal” form. The member’s cost for being courteous is the risk of openness; the forum’s cost for forcing courtesy on others is reduced membership. The only profile “requirement” that makes sense to me belongs to forum administration – it should ask each applying member to create a profile, explaining the benefits and, perhaps, mentioning caveats. It might even offer a typical example for encouragement. But the decision should belong to no one but the member.

[Marko]

Courtesy? Doesn't courtesy also mean a respect for someone's hesitation or unwillingness to publicly post their information?

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here - my desire for privacy when it comes to my personal information stands in direct proportion to somebody else's curiosity about it.

Why should I respect their wishes if they don't respect mine?

Asking once or even twice (since the majority of the membership seems to be comprised of gentlemen over a certain age ;)) is fine, but insisting is rude. There is simply no point in heckling those of us who disagree other than creating bad blood.

[Leigh]

I think the term "courtesy" is being seriously mis-applied.

It is not "courteous" to stick one's nose into other peoples' business.

Demanding or even suggesting that others should post any more information than they already have posted is a huge affront to each of them.

It's just an unfortunate consequence of the lack of courtesy nurtured by our internet society, where everyone wants to know everything about everyone else.

- Leigh

[rdenney]

I think the term "courtesy" is being seriously mis-applied.

It is not "courteous" to stick one's nose into other peoples' business.

Demanding or even suggesting that others should post any more information than they already have posted is a huge affront to each of them.

It's just an unfortunate consequence of the lack of courtesy nurtured by our internet society, where everyone wants to know everything about everyone else.

- Leigh

I don't agree at all. I meet new people all the time. One's name is other people's business--that's why it's a name. Otherwise they don't know what to call you. What would happen in any normal face-to-face conversation if you said, "Hi, my name is Leigh, what's yours?" and I responded, "that's discourteous of you to ask--you're sticking your nose in my business." You'd be offended, and rightly so. That seems to me the conversational equivalent of what you said above. The accusation of rudeness would be no less inappropriate even if our conversation was public. Introducing oneself in conversations, even public conversations, has always been common courtesy.

I use my full name, but I don't expect everyone to. And I don't think anyone has asked for full names. But a first name and a region provides a courteous introduction without providing enough information to be tracked down by evil-doers. If anyone is that afraid, they might want to reconsider whether they should live an Internet life.

Rick "who has suffered no apparent harm for having used his real name on internet forums for about 15 years" Denney

[Heroique]

Why should I respect their wishes if they don't respect mine?

Because courteous people do.

[Richard K.]

I'm pretty sure that the restart of this thread was not meant to offend any that do not wish to participate to the extent that seems to be hoped for by a good many others. There may be people that are unaware that they CAN produce a profile or like the idea of sharing a bit more about themselves but just haven't been given impetus or have forgotten to do so since joining, and I think that the post was meant for them, not for those that have already stated their preference to not produce a profile. For me, one of the joys in this forum IS in fact getting to know about people, where they live (roughly), and what they like photo and other than photographically. I guess that those for whom community and enjoyment involves the desire for more human contact and includes such sharing are just frustrated. I see no need to proselytize. You either feel this particular aspect of community and wish to participate just slightly more intimately or you don't wish to go beyond a certain level of sharing personal information (although I presume you're OK with sharing technical information). I may not fully understand the reasons nor the reason to not share the reason and even though I think that it's a loss, I will respect them - what choice do we have?

[Leigh]

Because courteous people do.
Courteous people don't make discourteous requests in the first place. :p

If they do, they deserve exactly what they (don't) get. :eek:

- Leigh

[Marko]

Rick,

It's obviously not about names, since everybody here has one. And besides, some of those who insist on profiles the loudest use a handle. ;)

It is not even a matter of privacy, to be perfectly honest, because what could be easier than pronouncing oneself a 50-year old John (or Jane) Doe from New York City, and all that?

For me, it is about basic courtesy of respecting each other's wishes. If you expect me to respect your wish for more information, you ought to equally respect my hesitation to provide it, especially publicly.

Just like in real life conversation, it is perfectly fine to ask for additional information if you feel you really need to know more, but it is decidedly NOT fine to get pushy and aggressive about it when the other party declines. I've even had one participant from the other thread send me a very nasty, aggressively polemic and demanding PM simply because he couldn't understand my reasons and I wouldn't accept his cajoling.

The OP of this particular thread obviously had a very honest idea about it, and it was perfectly fine for him to ask. But all the insistence, pushing and bumping that came afterwards is definitely not.

[Marko]

Because courteous people do.

Courtesy is reciprocal, just like respect.

[Leigh]

I use my full name, but I don't expect everyone to. And I don't think anyone has asked for full names. But a first name and a region provides a courteous introduction without providing enough information to be tracked down by evil-doers.
I use my real name and general location. I could have chosen some nonsense "handle" like Furbish234, but I didn't.

I include additional information in individual posts when relevant to the thread topic.

Putting additional info in a public profile is just inviting internet 'bots to harvest it.

- Leigh

[Heroique]

I may not fully understand the reasons nor the reason to not share the reason and even though I think that it’s a loss, I will respect them - what choice do we have?

And how can one go further? Thanks Richard, pretty much sums it up.

Note on “courtesy”: it reciprocates itself, contradicts its opposite.

(Brian, you are in so much trouble for bumping this. ;^)

[Brian C. Miller]

Gee whiz, the way you guys are going on about this, I'm expecting a LF duel to happen!

"Load your film holders, and choose your lens. Now stand back-to-back, and take 10 paces. Turn and shoot."
(one ... two ... three ... four ... five ... six ... seven ... eight ... nine ... ten)
(twenty minutes later, large format being what it is..)
CLICK!CLICK!

Ok, now develop and print, then post it under the Portraits thread. :D

(I bumped the thread because some of the new guys said, "Hi! It's so fantastic to join the forum. I'm in _____." And there was nothing in the profile, so why not bump the thread? Whatcha gonna do? Show up on my doorstep and mooch fresh home roasted coffee?)

[rdenney]

I use my real name and general location.

Sure. I was debating the notion that it's discourteous to invite people to introduce themselves. That doesn't seem like it would be discourteous in a face-to-face setting, which seems to me a reasonable standard.

Rick "who doesn't much care what people do" Denney

[Leigh]

That doesn't seem like it would be discourteous in a face-to-face setting, which seems to me a reasonable standard.
Information exchanged in a face-to-face conversation does not become public data available to everyone in the world.

- Leigh

[rdenney]

Information exchanged in a face-to-face conversation does not become public data available to everyone in the world.

Often it does. Transcripts get recorded, put in archives, and made available on the Internet. Those are not private conversations, of course. But few face-to-face conversations are private. The sorts of things one might say that should only be said in private should never get written in an Internet forum, anonymous or not. That seems to me rather self-evident.

But how does my name and region, and a few things about me as a photographer in my profile, expose me to more risk than routine participation in the forum?

Rick "who is that masked man?" Denney

[Richard K.]

...I bumped the thread because some of the new guys said, "Hi! It's so fantastic to join the forum. I'm in _____." And there was nothing in the profile, so why not bump the thread?

Exactly. Well, more or less, my point. About the intended audience.


Whatcha gonna do? Show up on my doorstep and mooch fresh home roasted coffee?

Only if it's Tims©...:)
BTW What roaster do you use, for now we use Fresh Roast SR500...

[Brian C. Miller]

I use the HotTop (http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/coffee-roasters/drum-roasters/hottop.html) drum roaster. I've had it for years, and it's still doing fine.

[Sirius Glass]

Courtesy is reciprocal, just like respect.

No, respect is earned, not given. Courtesy is expected and given!

If someone asks were to buy or where to repair X, the location makes it easier to respond.

If someone is having a problem with a piece of equipment and I am close by, I may respond with a suggestion to meet.

You can post your location without loosing privacy.

Steve

[Marko]

You can post your location without loosing privacy.

Yes but that's irrelevant. I don't want to post my information in public. For a reason or set of reasons that may not be obvious to you, but are important to me.

Common courtesy dictates that you show respect for my wishes if you expect me to be extend the same back.

I don't need to post my information in public in order to provide it to those who really need it and I don't feel like satisfying plain curiosity of those who disregard my opinion.

I fail to see why it is such a big deal to cause all this consternation and chatter.

[Peter Mounier]

I'm with you Marko. And besides, we already know where you live; West of Greenwich and north of the Equator. I'll be right over.

Peter

[Richard K.]

I'll be right over. Peter

That was fast!!

[Struan Gray]

Today's word: "offensensitivity (http://www.gocomics.com/feature_items/explore?page=1&tag=20973)".

[Robert Brummitt]

I changed my profile. Let's see what it looks like.
Oops, nothing there. I'll try again.
R

[Brian Ellis]

You'd perhaps like http://www.realphotographersforum.com. The moderators require the use of a real name and location (not sure how they enforce it but at least they think it's better than no location information at all and an obvious alias for a name).

[Marko]

I'm with you Marko. And besides, we already know where you live; West of Greenwich and north of the Equator. I'll be right over.

Peter

Well, that's something if you have nothing better to do. Just bring your beverage of choice...

[Leigh]

If someone asks were to buy or where to repair X, the location makes it easier to respond.
True.

A courteous poster will include that and all other relevant information in the post itself, not expect people to go looking all over the place to find it.

Those who expect others to do their work for them are the discourteous ones.

- Leigh

[Roger Thoms]

Well I haven't updated my profile lately, but did change my usename to my name. :eek:

Roger

[Vaughn]

Perhaps I need to change my username for privacy reasons-- perhaps to: The Artist Who Use to Be Vaughn

[Heroique]

Well I haven't updated my profile lately, but did change my username to my name.

It’s true – “Rtbadman” has removed his mask.

We know his full name. We know his location. He lists nice equipment.

C’mon everybody – let’s get him! (I call the Gitzo…)

-----
Roger: More seriously, your “gentlemanly” openness is noted – sure to infuriate those who think it’s supposed to set an example for them.

Vaughn: I like the idea – your username would become an abstract symbol. This might set-off a cool, Prince-like trend! I’m already considering this one: ♣ Or maybe this: ☼

[Roger Thoms]

For sure I think that it is fine for people to have their privacy here on LFPF. I'm just not to worried about it myself.

Roger

[JC Kuba]

I've just assumed the only people interested in where I live and what equipment I have are those people interested in robbing me.

[Roger Thoms]

I've just assumed the only people interested in where I live and what equipment I have are those people interested in robbing me.

Actually I figure after people see my list of equipment they won't bother robbing me. :D

Roger

[Vaughn]

Good idea, "Hero"!

III

[Heroique]

The artist who used to be Vaughn, will you please show a little courtesy?

It’s now: The artist previously known as Heroique.

Symbol is forthcoming!

[Vaughn]

The artist who used to be Vaughn, will you please show a little courtesy?...

my mind went straight to:


So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, have some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste.

III

[Heroique]

I like it, III. It’s beautiful. Even if a bit satanic.

♣

[evan clarke]

Done..EC

[Sirius Glass]

If someone asks were to buy or where to repair X, the location makes it easier to respond.True.

A courteous poster will include that and all other relevant information in the post itself, not expect people to go looking all over the place to find it.

Those who expect others to do their work for them are the discourteous ones.

- Leigh

This bares repeating:

Those who expect others to do their work for them are the discourteous ones.

- Leigh


Those who expect others to do their work for them are the discourteous ones.

- Leigh



Those who expect others to do their work for them are the discourteous ones.

- Leigh



Those who expect others to do their work for them are the discourteous ones.

- Leigh

[Richard K.]

With all due respect (and I do accept and respect your position) to those that don't wish to divulge too much, I have had occasion the last few days to read profiles of what were to me interesting posts by interesting people and I found that very enriching. The sense of relating and sharing adds to my sense of community in my avocation. This post not in any way to rekindle flames or provoke, but rather to encourage only those like-minded individuals to add to their profile if they wish and to any extent that they wish.