WA for 5X7

[John Koehrer]

OK, I've got a 6 1/2" for my 57 & prefer a wider view.
120 Angulon would seem to fit the bill and a ~4" Dagor. Dagors seem to be about twice the $$$ is there any reason for this other than subjective choice?
Protars are interesting too but it seems very few of them online have a fl on them. It's more like a particular Series like ll/lll/lV etc.

[mrossano]

You can still get the 120mm Nikkor SW, a superb lens, new, from B&H for $750.

[goamules]

WA Dagors are cultish, so expensive. I got a reasonable Protar V recently marked 5x7. It's about a 4.5 inch focal length. The Wollensak WA and EWA are supposed to be very good too.

[DarkroomDan]

OK, I've got a 6 1/2" for my 57 & prefer a wider view.
120 Angulon would seem to fit the bill ...

I have the older 121mm Super Angulon f-8 for my 5x7. I haven't checked prices lately but you may be able to pick on up for less that the newer 120.

Dan

[John Koehrer]

I'm pretty much tied into the older lens by finances. An Angulon 120 on the bay is $350ish. Dagor 2X+ & haven't really looked at Protars because of my lack of information.
Are the Series V always 5X7 and if the fl isn't marked on the lens where does that leave the fl?

[Jan Pedersen]

350$ for an Angulon must be the top, with a little patience you should be able to find one for less.
The 120 Angulon is a fine little lens, i have one and also the 4 3/8 WA Dagor and i believe you get a little better coverage with the Angulon.
As far as resolution, i have never done a comparison test of the two.

[Jim Galli]

I was just playing with a new2me 120 Angulon last evening. It's pre-wwii, 1936 or 7. I prefer the earlier ones. They seem to cover more, and the image looked awfully nice on the ground glass with a loupe. It fits a more modern Compur from the 1960's so quite modern for it's actual age. The Bausch and Lomb Series V is a remarkable little lens but at f18 it seems unsuitable for anything but medium bright outdoor use. The 5X7 Series V is 112mm focus and you can get that information here (http://www.cameraeccentric.com/html/info/bauschlomb_8.html). A series IV Protar is 155mm which is too close to what you've already got. I've had one of those for sale for a long time. The WA Goerz Dagor's are lovely but as you already commented, pricey. I have a 121mm Super Angulon that will likely never be used again. Talk me out of it. It's cheaper than a Dagor.

[domaz]

I've seen two successive 120 angulons go for less than $100 on EBay. Apparently 5x7 gets no love on EBay. Be patient and you should get a good deal.

[Chuck Pere]

I'm using the little 120 Osaka wide field. Same as a Congo. It covers 5x7 with a little movement stopped down to f32 or so. I find it a nice sharp lens. Modern Copal shutter. Not sure of the current pricing. I paid about $230 used for mine a few years back.

[John Koehrer]

Hey Domaz,
I'll keep an eye out, there's no hurry.
Breathe in, breathe out, repeat. :}

Thanks.

[Larry H-L]

I use a 120mm Angulon and a 125 f8 Fuji SW. The 120 is small but movements are limited.

The Fuji 125 SW was much cheaper than other 120 SA or Nikon.

[Scott Davis]

I got some kind of lucky then when I bought my 110 WA Dagor. I paid about $1 per mm of focal length. I don't know if they're worth $700+, but they do provide coverage of 5x7 with generous movements. I also have a Rodenstock Grandagon 90mm f6.8 that covers with limited movement. That might be a good option to look into, especially an older one that could be gotten on the cheap.

[Morten]

My plan has been the Super Angulon 90/5.6, Nikkor SW 90/4.5, Grandagon N 90/4.5 which seems to provide a fair extra IC on 5x7 (& 4x5) while beeing bright, I got mine the SA (mint) from KEH at $546.. not very cheap but I have come to trust the guys at KEH...:)

The summer shooting and the Lofoten trip in August will decide, if this is my WA for 5x7...:cool:

[Tony Lakin]

Hi
See attached link to 120mm Angulon on Ebay.co.uk, £75 starting price, less than 2 days left and no bids, I would imagine you would get it for less than £120 which would work out at around $200 US a lightweight lens so shipping not too expensive, if you didn't need the Linhof board you could sell that on which would easily cover the shipping cost plus some.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Schneider-Kreuznach-120mm-f6-8-Angulon-/190418577395?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_CameraAccessories_CameraLensesFilters_JN&hash=item2c55d4e7f3

Best wishes.

[gchu1970]

I recently got a Berthiot Perigraphe 90 f14. It's a tiny lens with the old dial rim aperture stops. It's supposed to cover 5X7. I haven't try it yet but will use it on my Sinar P with Sinar shutter soon.

[Rick Moore]

I recently got a Berthiot Perigraphe 90 f14. It's a tiny lens with the old dial rim aperture stops. It's supposed to cover 5X7. I haven't try it yet but will use it on my Sinar P with Sinar shutter soon.

The 90 should cover 5x7 with some movement. I have a 120 Perigraphe that covers 8x10 with a surprising amount of movement. The 120 in the barrel with wheel stops is very small and light - the 90 must be even more so.

For 5x7, my favorite wide-angle is a Nikkor 90/8 that covers with a small amount of movement.


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Rick

[Brian Stein]

The Wollensak WA and EWA are supposed to be very good too.
the 108mm (4 1/4" iirc) wollensak I have is very small and light, reasonably sharp but I find it has no significant movements on 5x7; it did cost very little. The nikkor 90/8 is a lens I would like but my budget constraints have left me with one of the ilex wa 90s that will cover 5x7: for my very occasional use of such wide angle lens its fair value to me.

[Fotoguy20d]

John,

Similar to gchu1970, I just picked up an old brass WA fairly cheap (I have a post about it on apug with some photos of it). Mine has an aperture wheel and seems to be about 5". Haven't shot through it yet but seemed to easily cover 5x7 and fully illuminated the glass on my whole plate with some light roll off (how much I don't know).

My only modern LF lens is a Nikkor-SW 90mm f8, which happens to cover 5x7 but I use it on 4x5.

Dan

[Warren Clark]

Hi John,

I have a Fuji SW 105/8 and it was my first wa lens for 5x7--
always an excellent performer and I know these are used by
several others who post here.

Warren Clark
Ft. Collins, Colo.

[Scotty230358]

Hi
See attached link to 120mm Angulon on Ebay.co.uk, £75 starting price, less than 2 days left and no bids, I would imagine you would get it for less than £120 which would work out at around $200 US a lightweight lens so shipping not too expensive, if you didn't need the Linhof board you could sell that on which would easily cover the shipping cost plus some.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Schneider-Kreuznach-120mm-f6-8-Angulon-/190418577395?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_CameraAccessories_CameraLensesFilters_JN&hash=item2c55d4e7f3

Best wishes.

I was the owner of that very lens. In the end I got £75 for it. If I read the data from Schneider correctly the lens would not cover 5x7 wide open but would when you got down to f16 or below. However, there was little room for movement. It was a nice little lens. Sharp at between f16 and f22 but not as contrasty as modern equivalents. Extending development time sorted that out.

[Ole Tjugen]

I was just playing with a new2me 120 Angulon last evening. It's pre-wwii, 1936 or 7. I prefer the earlier ones. They seem to cover more, and the image looked awfully nice on the ground glass with a loupe. ...

They seem to do so, for a given value of "cover". As far as I can see the old ones actually have a smaller area of sharp coverage, but what is outside that sharp center is less unsharp than with a newer Angulon. End result is that the old ones cover more at very small stops and alre "less objectionally unsharp" in the corners than an over-extended newer one would be. Try an old 120mm Angulon on 8x10" at f:45 and see if you agree.

Also - the "standard shutter sizes" were standardised very early. Shutter size #0 and #1 are identical from the mid-1920's until today, as long as the old shutter was made for Schneider or Voigtländer.

[gchu1970]

The 90 should cover 5x7 with some movement. I have a 120 Perigraphe that covers 8x10 with a surprising amount of movement. The 120 in the barrel with wheel stops is very small and light - the 90 must be even more so.

For 5x7, my favorite wide-angle is a Nikkor 90/8 that covers with a small amount of movement.


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Rick

Look at this amazing result from Berthiot 90/14. When it stopped down to f40, it can cover 57 with ease but very limited movement. As you know, this aperture is not the smallest for this lens.

And my Ross Xpress 5inch F4, is also able to cover 57 with ease. The smallest aperture is just F11. Only issue is the shallow DOF at such large aperture.