What do you need from a 1910 European Catalogue?

[Steven Tribe]

In my quest for more data about the Plasticca I have gotten hold of an extensive catalogue (Swedish) for the year 1910-1911. Apart from the usual chemicals and darkroom equipment, there are a lot of German objectives on display. All figures seem to be supplied by the makers. There is no index unfortunately. I have included a few sample pages showing the combination data for the Meteor sets which I know are quite common and where the insert table has often been lost. I am willing to take pictures and post IF YOU HAVE NO OTHER SOURCE!

Here is a basic list of those that might have interest:

Meteor Casket
Rodenstock Bistigmat (also as a casket),Hemi-Anastigmat, Heliogonal, Eurynar (the dialyt version)
Emil Busch:Aplanat series D, wideangle Series C, Detective Aplanat, Portrait Aplanat (f6) and Petzval Portrait (f3.5 - 4).
Schulze & Billerbeck: Euryplan series V, Va, II
C.P.Goerz: X section of series X, Hypergon. Lynkeioskop C, E and F. Rapid Paraplanat and Chloroscope (no drawing).
Voigtländer: I think these are covered well elsewhere - but there are nice half X sections of the portrait Euroskop, Teleobjective and the Triple anastigmat (Cooke H.D.Taylor's patent).

Check cameraeccentric first!

[Fotoguy20d]

Steven,

I just acquired a Goerz Rapid Paraplanat - CameraEccentric doesn't have a Goerz catalog going back far enough. Do you have any information on that series?

Thanks,
Dan

[CCHarrison]

I dont read German, but first series from 1888 and about f/8 in speed. See below for layout and coverage.. This lens utilized the "new' at that time, Jena Glass.

Dan

[Steven Tribe]

Yes I do!
This must be the rapid paraplanat F 7.5 Angle is approximately 80 deg.
Sold in 3 sizes in 1910 (in Sweden).

I think the photo is self explanatory ( coverage to the left is with large stops, to the right, small stops).
I enclose the Choroskop which is on the same page!

[Steven Tribe]

And it was on sale 1n 1917, too - with the same sizes.

[Dr Klaus Schmitt]

Sehr gut! Dankeschön!

[Stephane]

Taken from:
Charles Fabres (http://www.suaudeau.eu/memo/Fabre/fabre_objo/fabre_A.html)

http://www.suaudeau.eu/memo/Fabre/fabre_objo/Fabre_obj_a/061.JPG

[Steven Tribe]

Nice all the data sources are in agreement!

[Paul Ewins]

Steven, if you ever stumble across information (even just an advertisement) on the very earliest versions of the Schneider Symmar I would be interested to see it. These predate the f6.8 Doppel Anastigmat Symmar and came in a variety of sizes and apertures - f4.5, f4.8, f5, f6.3, f6.5, f7.7 and probably others. They were probably made to order as mostly they show up as batches of 1 or 2 lenses. Production basically finished in March 1920 although there were a few more one-off orders as late as 1925.

All of that was gleaned from Hartmut Thiele's production list books, but I know nothing about the actual lenses themselves. Extrapolating from that list (which starts in 1918) there were probably fewer than 1000 of the early lenses made in all focal lengths. I've yet to check the BJP for those years, but I don't expect to find too much information about a new German company during the 1914-1918 period.

[cdholden]

Here is a basic list of those that might have interest:

Meteor Casket
Rodenstock Bistigmat (also as a casket),Hemi-Anastigmat, Heliogonal, Eurynar (the dialyt version)


Steven,
I'd be interested in your Hemi-Anastigmat data. I've not found anything about this lens of mine other than Ole Tjugen also has/had one, but of a longer focal length. I don't recall the serial, but I do recall seeing a serial list, and that my mine predates 1910 for date of manufacture.
Thanks.
Chris

[Steven Tribe]

First of all, this is an old thread and I now have Swedish catalogues for 1917, 1927 and 1934. In a separate posting I will list the named objectives in these.
Schneider appears first around 1927 with Xenar - no sign of export here before that date.
I enclose the Rodenstock hemi-anastigmat and heligonal page from 1910. The 110mm size 0 hemi anastigmat was gone by 1917.

[Fotoguy20d]

Nice all the data sources are in agreement!

Steven,
Thanks for following up, and your patience as I revived this old thread (a warning perhaps to those who suggest searching before asking?). Interestingly though, the page you posted doesn't seem to agree (other than for No 1) with those posted by Dan and Stephane - or am I mis-reading something? Yours seems to suggest significantly more coverage. I'll have the lens in my hand in a couple of days so I'll follow up with my own experiences - it cames attached to what the seller believes to be a full plate Eastman No 1, so I'll guess its the No 2 lens for now.
Thanks,
Dan

[Ole Tjugen]

Steven,
I'd be interested in your Hemi-Anastigmat data. I've not found anything about this lens of mine other than Ole Tjugen also has/had one, but of a longer focal length. I don't recall the serial, but I do recall seeing a serial list, and that my mine predates 1910 for date of manufacture.
Thanks.
Chris

Ditto - we know there are at least two Hemi-Anastigmats in the world. :)

[Steven Tribe]

I think it is great that people use the search function before just starting a new thread!

I checked the 1917 catalogue and the plate sizes which are covered are exactly the same as 1910.

[Tim Deming]

Hi Steven,

if it's not too much trouble, I would greatly appreciate seeing the page(s) on the Voigtlander triple anastigmat, as well as the tele-lenses (or tele tubes? info on the tele attachment tubes and the lenses they match with would be great). Accurate data on these is hard to find. I have some numbers for coverage of the triple-anastigmat, but they dont seem realistic.

thanks

Tim

[Steven Tribe]

As requested!
I did make a list of the other lenses in the other years - but this got lost somewhere with no copy here. Will try again tomorrow.

[Steven Tribe]

In 1910, the tele attachment was on the same page as the Collinear Series III and the 2 models fit on no.3 and no.4, respectively and were only sold with these lenses.

[Tim Deming]

Awesome!

thanks

Tim

[cdholden]

First of all, this is an old thread and I now have Swedish catalogues for 1917, 1927 and 1934. In a separate posting I will list the named objectives in these.
Schneider appears first around 1927 with Xenar - no sign of export here before that date.
I enclose the Rodenstock hemi-anastigmat and heligonal page from 1910. The 110mm size 0 hemi anastigmat was gone by 1917.

Steven,
Thank you. Memory doesn't serve me very well. After checking last night, the serial on my #1 is in the 80,xxx range, placing it between 1910-1920.

Ole,
What is the serial number on yours? I'm curious to know the age difference, considering yours is the only other one I've seen mention of.

Chris

[visoflex]

Thank you for your generous offer! I'm interested in data on the Weitwinkel-Lynkeioskop Serie F, No 4 if that's covered.
Thank you,
Sven

[Steven Tribe]

Now this sounds familar! Was it one on Tradera?
The No. 4 is the biggest in this fine series.

[Ernest Purdum]

Steven and Stephane thank you both very much for the great amount of information made available.

Years ago, I tried hard to find a copy of the "Traite". The only one I found was at an asking price so far beyond my means that I didn't think it even worthwhile trying to bargain. Now, to see it pop up on my computer screen is wonderful.

[Marko Trebusak]

Steven, l searched for Buch Weitwinkel Aplanat sere C, but l only foud Ole's glory to this wide angle objectives. I'll be very thankful, if you can share the catalogue page showing the data.
Marko

[Steven Tribe]

Here are the catalogue pages from Hasselblads (1905) and Forsners(1917).
Note - there appears to be a difference between these periods! Focal length/recommended coverage is the same but lens size/image circle differs.
The two columns of plate size coverage refer to "medium" and "smallest" stops.

[Marko Trebusak]

Thank you, Steven! It looks like there are two different designs with different lens sizes. I wonder, if this could be confirmed with other literature?
Cheers,
Marko

[Steven Tribe]

I doubt there is much difference, if any, between these 2 "models".
Busch is known to have made his Aplanats for a long period of time without changes. The catalogue entry for 1910 is the same as the one in 1917 and it not included in the 1923 catalogue. All the good WA aplanats (Lynkeioskop F, Busch C and Perigraphe VI) had cells that were very close together and not suited for mounting in a shutter!

[Amedeus]

Would love to see the info on Rodenstock Heliogonal if possible,

Thanks in advance,

[Dan Fromm]

Rudi, see Fabre Vol. 8 (1906), p. 55. My list has a link to it.

[lucaas]

Would love to see the info on Rodenstock Heliogonal if possible,

Thanks in advance,
Rudi, this is from 1910 F.F. Meyer catalog.
173281

[Steven Tribe]

That saves me a search!

From the Flindts auction in December, I have the following additions:

Suter 1902 Main catalogue lenses and cameras.

Steinheil Paris 1903 - mostly Orthostigmats.

Photo-Hall. 1912. Mostly "own label products and cameras". No separate lens section.

Gilles-Faller 1910?. Lots on their own brand Studio Cameras and support equipment.

Radiguet et Massiot (Successors to Molteni) Comprehensive photo supplies - few cameras.

[Amedeus]

Thanks Dan, Thanks Lucaas ! Much appreciated !