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Eston3
20-Dec-2009, 22:07
Hooray for me, right? Here's my question. I used one back in the late 1970s quite extensively. The lens I just purchased off Ebay is much larger than what I remember. Now the type on the barrel is mostly rubbed off. I can see enough of the remains to know that it's definitely a schneider lens and the shape is similar to the 90 SA but of course much more massive. The thing is that I don't remember the front elements having SUCH a funnel shape. This has more of the shape of the 165 SA that I rented once. Was there more than one style of this lens as it evolved? Does anyone who has one know the dimensions of the front and rear elementS? Mine are 5.5" diameter on the front and 5" on the rear element. I do have a serial number if there's some place I can check......Any help would be greatly appreciated

I also did a comparative study between my 4x5 210 Caltar and this lens and It's definitely a 210.

Arne Croell
20-Dec-2009, 23:20
Was your old one a Super-Angulon or an Angulon? The Angulon was an older design wide angle, but with less coverage (85 deg vs. 100 degrees) than the later Super-Angulon. Both cover nominally 8x10, but the SA allows more movements, has less falloff and will be sharper in the corners. The Angulon was much smaller, as it was a different construction without the large negative meniscus elements on both sides. AFAIK there was only one version of the 210mm Super-Angulon.

rdenney
21-Dec-2009, 00:03
According to Schneider, the 210/8 came in two flavors. The multi-coated version was wider, but a bit shorter. It used a 135mm filter and was 170mm long. The single-coated version used a 127mm filter and was 180mm long. Judging from your 5-1/2" diameter, I'm guessing you have the later lens with the 135mm filter.

The 210 Angulon, on the other hand, used a 67mm filter and was only about two inches long. As a Dagor design it's not nearly as voluminous as the Biogon design of the Super Angulon.

Rick "thinking serial number will tell you dates only" Denney

Peter K
21-Dec-2009, 02:41
The first SA from the early Fifties had a different shape of the barrel with the big front- and rear-lens like big saucers. As you said like a funnel. Later the barrel was more conical. The filter thread of early SA 210 is M 127 x 1.

Here (http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/archiv/pdf/an_su_1963.pdf) you can see the early barrel but only from a small focal-lenght. Here (http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/archiv/pdf/an_su_1970.pdf) the more conical shape, older models had a chromium finish later a black one.

The serial numbers one can find here (http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/service/serie.htm).

rdenney
21-Dec-2009, 10:18
The first SA from the early Fifties had a different shape of the barrel with the big front- and rear-lens like big saucers. As you said like a funnel. Later the barrel was more conical. The filter thread of early SA 210 is M 127 x 1.

Here (http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/archiv/pdf/an_su_1963.pdf) you can see the early barrel but only from a small focal-lenght. Here (http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/archiv/pdf/an_su_1970.pdf) the more conical shape, older models had a chromium finish later a black one.

The serial numbers one can find here (http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/service/serie.htm).

I have examples of both of these types, and they are both single-coated. The first is from the 50's and the second from the late 60's and early 70's. Was the second barrel style ever used with multi-coated lenses? My MC Super Angulon (a 90) is the all-black barrel with the labeling on the outside of the front barrel. I have a 121/8 and a 65/8 that are of the former type, and the 47/5.6 and the 65/5.6 are of the later type that you show. All those are single-coated.

The 210, given that there was never a 5.6 version, might have followed a somewhat different path.

Rick "whose 121 dates from '58 and whose 47 dates from '71" Denney

Peter K
21-Dec-2009, 10:38
I have examples of both of these types, and they are both single-coated. The first is from the 50's and the second from the late 60's and early 70's. Was the second barrel style ever used with multi-coated lenses? My MC Super Angulon (a 90) is the all-black barrel with the labeling on the outside of the front barrel. I have a 121/8 and a 65/8 that are of the former type, and the 47/5.6 and the 65/5.6 are of the later type that you show. All those are single-coated.

The 210, given that there was never a 5.6 version, might have followed a somewhat different path.
Also not the 120 and 165.

The second barrel style was also used for multi-coated 120 up to 210 SA's. The reason was possible the long ones wheren't "bestsellers" because the price for the last SA 210 was about $ 5.000.

Peter "whose 47 dates from '56 and whose 210 dates from '67" ;)

Daniel Unkefer
24-Dec-2009, 09:06
I have a friend that has an early 210mm F8 Super Angulon, and it is a monster. I would (frankly) love to own it, as it would complete my early Super Angulon set. I have the 65mm F8, the 75mm F8, the 90mm F8, the 121mm F8, and the 165mm F8, all in Sinar Norma mount, with cables and ears.

Great 8x10 tabletop lens :)

Danewiev
20-Aug-2015, 08:03
Hope, it's allowed to answer old threads:

My 210 SA takes a 127 mm filter, weighs 2400 grams and is 18 cm long. According to Scneider specification it should belong to the single coated lenses.

On the barrel it reads MULTICOATING. According to Scneider production year list, it was made in 1986.

So it seemes they kept the "lightweight" style (the 135 mm style is 3100 grams) through the years and from a certain time gave them multicoating??