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papah
11-Dec-2009, 00:18
I recently acquired a P&S Visual Quality 3 inch lens, made for the motion picture industry. Here is a quick test wide open at f/3:
http://hemingway.cs.washington.edu/portfolio/pano/P&S-1.jpg

The lens is stamped "Gillies Visual Quality"; I have found a reference stating that J. Wallace Gillies adapted the lens for the motion picture industry.

I'm looking for more information about this lens.

mikec
11-Dec-2009, 04:44
nice. what film format is that on? I should imagine if the lens was designed for 35mm cinema stock that coverage at infinity would not be very large.

Toyon
11-Dec-2009, 07:29
Interesting. I've been noticing that a lot of movies from the 30's show the male lead in sharp focus, and the female in soft focus even though they are talking with each other.

goamules
11-Dec-2009, 07:43
Beautiful! Here is something you may have already found, but is interesting to all soft focus enthusiasts.

http://books.google.com/books?id=1U0LAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195#v=onepage&q=&f=false

papah
11-Dec-2009, 10:15
Beautiful! Here is something you may have already found, but is interesting to all soft focus enthusiasts.

http://books.google.com/books?id=1U0LAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Thanks. That's a good reference, and is the only mention I know of this lens. Jay Allen mentions it, but he is quoting extensively from this article.

I'm mounting the lens on full-frame 35mm, which it covers without problem. The lens is tiny, with ~34mm mounting threads. The seller claimed that this lens came from the collection of Joseph Walker, ASC, who was Frank Capra's cameraman. He filmed "It's a Wonderful Life", among many.

Dr Klaus Schmitt
12-Dec-2009, 16:47
Congrats Bruce, very nice find! If you find the time,
let's see a pic of your beauty pls!

benrains
13-Dec-2009, 00:18
You might even try to see if you can adapt it to 6x6 medium format camera. Probably you'll get some fall-off at the corners, but the 3" focal length is close to the 80mm normal lens for that format.

As for tracking down more info on the lens, if it really does have the claimed provenance, you might submit it to be considered for this-
http://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/about/submit.html

papah
13-Dec-2009, 01:30
I plan to put it on the 4x5 next week to ascertain the coverage.

Various other pictorial lenses were produced in short focal lengths for Hollywood. The Graf Variable exists in a 3.5 inch version, and the Struss Pictorial is reputed to exist in a short length as well. Of course Cooke produced special lenses and supplementary diffusion lenses for the motion picture industry.

I'll keep hunting...:D

Some photos of the lens, from the seller:

Mark Sawyer
13-Dec-2009, 10:38
Purists would cry foul, but you might consider looking for a negative diopter (like the Distar) to give a longer focal length and more coverage. You might be able to cover a 4x5. It might also be a lovely soft-focus macro for 4x5, although "wide open" and "macro" aren't often thought of together due to depth of field. Still, one has to think about these things... why I've even heard of someone doing close-ups with an f/1.2 lens! ;)

Dr Klaus Schmitt
14-Dec-2009, 19:05
But then you might be even more interested in a Zeiss f0.75/50mm macro shot?

I call it "flame on"

http://www.pbase.com/kds315/image/83816031/large.jpg

papah
15-Dec-2009, 22:37
Klaus, that's beautiful!

Does that Zeiss lens focus to infinity?

Dr Klaus Schmitt
16-Dec-2009, 17:12
Not with a normal DSLR Bruce, due to the relative short register. I haven't tried my micro 4/3 yet, since that has less than 50% register distance (one of the reasons I got it). Thanks for the compliment!

papah
27-Jun-2010, 00:07
After several false starts, I finally managed to mount this lens in a gutted Nikon Series E 50mm lens body. Here are some samples from this Pinkham & Smith:

http://hemingway.cs.washington.edu/posts/P&S/P&S-MPLens-4.jpg

http://hemingway.cs.washington.edu/posts/P&S/P&S-MPLens-3.jpg

seven
27-Jun-2010, 04:34
excellent results Bruce !

papah
27-Jun-2010, 13:31
Thanks!

Here is the entire set of tests from yesterday:

http://hemingway.cs.washington.edu/portfolio/pano/PS-MPLens-1.jpg

http://hemingway.cs.washington.edu/portfolio/pano/PS-MPLens-2.jpg

http://hemingway.cs.washington.edu/portfolio/pano/PS-MPLens-3.jpg

http://hemingway.cs.washington.edu/portfolio/pano/PS-MPLens-4.jpg

(after which I properly disposed of the props....)

Jim Galli
28-Jun-2010, 10:52
Thanks!

Here is the entire set of tests from yesterday:

(after which I properly disposed of the props....)

Hopefully you savored the wine after eating the cat??

papah
28-Jun-2010, 12:58
Hopefully you savored the wine after eating the cat??

:) :) :)

Actually, the cat savored the pâté...