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David Hedley
4-Nov-2009, 11:51
A few years back (probably around 1999 or 2000), there was an article in View Camera where Jack Dykinga took his Arca-Swiss to New York, and there were several photographs where the shapes and forms of the Utah and Arizona landscape were compared with those of the city architecture. I wonder if anyone could either scan a copy of this article for me, or be able to sell me a copy of that particular issue?
Don7x17
4-Nov-2009, 13:05
Asking someone to scan and send you a copyrighted article is no different than someone ripping off an image you made and publishing without compensation to you...
BrianShaw
4-Nov-2009, 13:06
Have you called Steve Simmons? I seem to recall seeing/hearing somewhere that he was cleaning out the closets and getting rid of back issues. Maybe he has a copy.
BrianShaw
4-Nov-2009, 13:22
... or ask Michael... he seems to be cleaning closets also:

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=55539
David Hedley
4-Nov-2009, 13:26
Asking someone to scan and send you a copyrighted article is no different than someone ripping off an image you made and publishing without compensation to you...

Actually, I already have a copy of the issue, but it is in storage in a different country, hence the request for either a scanned copy, or to purchase another copy. I also checked View Camera's website before posting here, but couldn't find any reference to this issue being available. Hence the request - is that clear enough for you?

Many thanks for the other suggestions which I will follow up as well.
Don7x17
4-Nov-2009, 13:45
David

Copyright laws in this country are well known

Hope this is clear enough for you
David Hedley
4-Nov-2009, 13:54
No, I am not breaking any copyright laws, because I already own a copy of that issue of the magazine. I hope that's clear enough for you.
Eric Woodbury
4-Nov-2009, 13:59
Why not call Jack and see if he has a copy? He's got a nice website with addresses and phone numbers.
David Hedley
4-Nov-2009, 14:03
Eric - thanks, I will also try that. I've just dropped an email to VC itself to see if they have a copy of that issue still available.
William McEwen
4-Nov-2009, 14:21
No, I am not breaking any copyright laws, because I already own a copy of that issue of the magazine. I hope that's clear enough for you.

Is this how U.S. copyright laws work?
Paul_C
4-Nov-2009, 14:42
Is this how U.S. copyright laws work?

This question implies that U.S. copyright laws work.
BrianShaw
4-Nov-2009, 14:45
I'm not sure I should be butting in to this part of the discussion since "IANAL", but having been faced with this issue on both professional and personal projects, please let me add:

Section 202 defines who owns the copyright and that possession of copyrighted material does not transfer any rights.

But then... Sections 107 (Fair Use) and 108 (Limitations on Exclusive Rights) specifically describe issues related to copying of copyrighted material. Basically... not all copying is illegal; The legality depends on usage.

In the professional arena my corporate lawyers basically said "no usage of ANY materials without permission of the creator"... even when the creator could not be indentified. In the personal arena (academic journals), they have been accepting of my interpretation of Fair Use but feel better when I acknowledge the creator and/or repository and footnote with a Section 107 citation.

Please remember that IANAL and I will honor any correction should my information be misguided.
Paul Kierstead
4-Nov-2009, 14:57
I sometimes exceed the speed limit.
Frank Petronio
4-Nov-2009, 15:18
Geezum Crow guys, calling somebody out on copyright issues over this has to be a joke, right? Because no reasonable person would be that petty, right?

It is, after all, about copying a magazine that breaks all the rules of grammar, spelling, typography, graphic design, and lithography... and when you hang with a lawbreaker like that, you've got expect some other nefarious activity in their direction.
BrianShaw
4-Nov-2009, 15:34
It is, after all, about copying a magazine that breaks all the rules of grammar, spelling, typography, graphic design, and lithography... and when you hang with a lawbreaker like that, you've got expect some other nefarious activity in their direction.

Yer jokin' Frank... aren't you. I'd think you'd be fiercely defensive of Steve and VC. Theyv'e printed so many tits and tats in the last couple of issues that I thought you took them over. :D

p.s. I now have to keep my VC mags under the bed because my 11 year-old "teenage" son is becoming VERY interested in photography.
kev curry
4-Nov-2009, 15:44
Ive just got to piss myself when the petty minded little police men show up!
BrianShaw
4-Nov-2009, 15:45
It isn't worth it, Kev.
Frank Petronio
4-Nov-2009, 17:17
Ehh I don't even pick it up to browse anymore, no offense to the good photographers in it but the magazine is so poorly done that it just irritates the hell out of me. But I could say the same for B&W and Aperture and PDN and... well the entire photo rag industry.

All this niche artsy junk should just be online, doing print is just for vanity and old farts.
BrianShaw
4-Nov-2009, 17:33
All this niche artsy junk should just be online, doing print is just for vanity and old farts.

Sometimes even web sites are just for "vanity and old farts". I went to the VC web site today and now have a renewed appreciation for that magazine's publication quality. :o :D
Michael Mutmansky
4-Nov-2009, 18:32
... or ask Michael... he seems to be cleaning closets also:

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=55539

More like purging bad memories...
Frank Bagbey
4-Nov-2009, 20:14
Don Nelson, golly gee, lighten up a little will you? 99% of the large formatters here understand exactly what was asked. That being said, I am now going to make a few audio cd dupes for the darkroom of music I purchased.
walter23
4-Nov-2009, 21:37
David

Copyright laws in this country are well known

Hope this is clear enough for you

I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties, too.

There's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. It's a simple man who follows the letter rigidly, without reflection.
domaz
4-Nov-2009, 22:56
I spent a fair portion of my college career xeroxing articles out of periodicals in the library to write papers. Professors and Librarians encouraged this illegal behavior! I guess my college days were illegal in more ways than just the parties.
D. Bryant
5-Nov-2009, 22:11
I spent a fair portion of my college career xeroxing articles out of periodicals in the library to write papers. Professors and Librarians encouraged this illegal behavior! I guess my college days were illegal in more ways than just the parties.

I don't think that use is illegal.

Don Bryant
Steve Hamley
6-Nov-2009, 04:09
I guess I'm just getting old, but why not visit a "library", you know, one of those buildings with book things you can read. If they don't have it, they can likely order it from another library. It isn't instant gratification, but it usually works.

Cheers, Steve
BrianShaw
6-Nov-2009, 10:28
I don't think that use is illegal.


Why think when you can read and know: Section 107, Fair Use.

In general I understand that it is not the copying, per se, that violates the law... but the usage of the copied material. Personal/academic = Fair Use; Commercial = Unfair Use.

So what about the logic that if someone copies a licensed/copyrighted work, like a CD... that the law is only broken if two people simultaneously look/listen to it? (Hey, Frank... won't you send me a few tunes???)
David Hedley
6-Nov-2009, 10:49
Why think when you can read and know: Section 107, Fair Use.

In general I understand that it is not the copying, per se, that violates the law... but the usage of the copied material. Personal/academic = Fair Use; Commercial = Unfair Use.

That's my understanding of the position. Neither VC or Jack have replied yet to my e-mails, and unfortunately the library option doesn't work for me as I am based in Switzerland (with my back copies of VC in storage in the UK), so I am still looking for a copy of the article, or a copy of this back issue to buy. It's one of the inputs I would like to have to a collaborative project with another photographer. Perhaps someone on this forum can help.

Thanks

David
redrockcoulee
6-Nov-2009, 16:43
When you use interlibrary loans for periodical articles the lending library sends you a photocopy of the article. Also, at least in Canada, you legally can photocopy small sections of books and periodicals under "fair use". You can also legally copy CDs or books that you own and use the copy if you do not sell or give away the original. We actually pay a tax or levy on each blank CD or DVD to cover any loss of income and this applies even to DVDs that you use to backup your LF scans.

David: sorry I do not have issues that far back or else I would scan the article into a PDF and sent it to you or a photocopy.

In this case the OP owns a legal copy, just is not at the location that his copy is located. Sounds like it would be a weak case in court.