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r.e.
26-Sep-2009, 15:24
Hi,

I'm thinking of purchasing a 5x7 camera. A couple of questions for those of you who use this format: can you get film easily (colour and black and white), and what do you think the prospects are for film availability over the next few years? In other words, is demand for the format reasonably healthy, or disintigrating :)?

Thanks.

percepts
26-Sep-2009, 15:30
I was looking at this the other day. I think for black and white there is plenty available.
Fuji make colour 5x7 for most of their films but it is not available in some markets due to there not being enough demand for importers to order it by the pallet. That means in the UK it is difficult but where you live may be different. Don't know about kodak colour.

Ron Marshall
26-Sep-2009, 16:28
Badger has Provia in color, and several B/W.

B+H has Porta 160 NC in color and several B/W.

David Karp
26-Sep-2009, 16:42
Freestyle has lots of 5x7 in B&W. No idea about color. I have been using Arista.Edu Ultra 200 in 5x7 and it is a really nice film. It is actually Fomapan 200.

r.e.
26-Sep-2009, 16:57
What do you think is going to happen down the road? Do you think that it is necessary to start loading up on the film in a freezer?

I'm asking because demand for large format film is weak to begin with, and I suspect that between 4x5, 8x10 and 5x7, the latter is a distant third in demand.

I'm trying to get a sense of whether 5x7 is going the way of the Great Auk, in which case buying a 5x7 camera might also mean stockpiling film.

One other question - are the labs that will process 4x5 happy to process 5x7, especially colour 5x7, as well?

Thanks.

Ron Marshall
26-Sep-2009, 17:23
I only shoot B/W in 5x7 but my color lab also does 5x7.

I think b/w will be around for many years in 5x7. With color I have no idea.

Dave Aharonian
26-Sep-2009, 17:42
I shoot primarily 5x7 b&w film, and I try to buy it in Canada whenever I can. BigCameraWorkshops always seems to have Ilford films,otherwise I tend to order it from Freestyle. I see no issues with 5x7 (or most other LF films) for the future. I tend to buy a few boxes at a time but I see no reason to stockpile it. In fact its now easier for me to get 5x7 film than it was a few years ago when I started shooting it. Stop worrying and get that 5x7 camera!

Mike1234
26-Sep-2009, 18:01
SIDE STEP... but his may interest the OP: I know some have cut and shot 5" B&W aerial film in cut film holders (Jim Galli for one) but has anyone shot the color neg aerial film in 5x7 or 5x12 holders?

Andrew ren
26-Sep-2009, 19:11
go get the camera and start shooting.

no worries.

we all part of it...

Andrew

percepts
26-Sep-2009, 19:36
What do you think is going to happen down the road? Do you think that it is necessary to start loading up on the film in a freezer?

I'm asking because demand for large format film is weak to begin with, and I suspect that between 4x5, 8x10 and 5x7, the latter is a distant third in demand.

I'm trying to get a sense of whether 5x7 is going the way of the Great Auk, in which case buying a 5x7 camera might also mean stockpiling film.

One other question - are the labs that will process 4x5 happy to process 5x7, especially colour 5x7, as well?

Thanks.

You can cut 8x10 film to 5x7. Obviously a little waste but if the film you want is only available in 8x10 you can still do it. There have been threads here about this before.

Ole Tjugen
27-Sep-2009, 01:55
I buy 13x18cm colour film from Germany - there is still a wider selection in 13x18cm than in 5x7".

You need to use 13x18cm film holders for this, though...

Gudmundur Ingolfsson
27-Sep-2009, 04:42
Ole ! Please tell us about this supplier in Germany.

ki6mf
27-Sep-2009, 05:47
For B&W you can also contact Ilford for availability. In North America their distributors can advise on when 5x7 will be available. Also you can ask a retailer to order and the retailer usually can tell you when the next shipment will arrive. I believe on the Ilford web site they make provisions to order to direct and ship to a retail outlet. I have use this method to get 6X7 sheet film for HP5. 4x5 and 5x7 is almost always available at Calumet and Freestyle

r.e.
27-Sep-2009, 10:25
Thanks all, I have agreed to purchase a Linhof Kardan Bi 5x7. Now I have to decide on whether to go with 5x7 or 13x18 holders. If anyone has advice on this, I'd be obliged. One consideration is that the gentleman who is selling me the camera has 13x18 holders available.

A couple of specific questions, on the assumption that 5x7 shooters have already checked these issues out:

What emulsions - see Ole's comment - can be obtained in Europe but not in North America?

Is European pricing for 13x18, ex VAT, close to US pricing for 5x7, or is it significantly higher?

Can 13x18 film be purchased in the US?

Thanks.

csant
27-Sep-2009, 10:29
Now I have to decide on whether to go with 5x7 or 13x18 holders.

I have a 5x7, and I like having both 5x7 holders and 13x18 - for flexibility's sake. But I discover that what I really like better is 5x7, and I have been almost exclusively using that format. Having some 13x18 holders however gives me the choice - good thing is I don't have too many 13x18 holders…

Oh yeah, and Ole - we need to know more about your supplier!

r.e.
27-Sep-2009, 12:33
Oh yeah, and Ole - we need to know more about your supplier!

This is starting to sound like a discussion among crackheads :)

Ole Tjugen
28-Sep-2009, 02:43
Nordfoto - http://nordfoto.de has Fuji Provia 100F, Kodak E100G, EPP and EPY64T in 13x18cm.

r.e.
28-Sep-2009, 05:49
Well, I've now checked European and North American on-liine vendors, and it's clear that North American prices for 5x7 film are significantly less, which means 5x7 holders. There isn't a lot in colour film - Portra 160NC and Fuji Provia 100F - but that'll do. I'm surprised that European pricing for Ilford film isn't more competitive. However, Fotoimpex in Berlin does seem to have good prices on Adox/Efke and Fomapan, less expensive than in North America if I understood their catalogue properly.

DolphinDan
28-Sep-2009, 17:55
You can order VELVIA 100, 100F, and PROVIA 100F color 5x7 film from Japan:

http://www.japanexposures.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=5x7&x=0&y=0

A little pricey but do-able.

Daniel

cjbroadbent
29-Sep-2009, 15:11
...Now I have to decide on whether to go with 5x7 or 13x18 holders ..... Can 13x18 film be purchased in the US?
You need both. I had to buy 5x7 holders for a job on New York. I've never seen 5x7 film in continental Europe; it only (chromes a Tmax) comes in 13x18.

Daniel Unkefer
29-Sep-2009, 19:09
I recently picked up 100 sheets of 5x7 Shanghai B&W, and it looks real nice so far in PMK Pyro + developer. I'm thinking about picking up some more, since I now have a 20% off coupon from the seller. It's definately an old-school emulsion formulation, they recommend it for portraiture.