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Daniel Unkefer
20-Apr-2009, 03:36
Hi All,
I have just picked up a 600mm F9 Rodenstock Apo Ronar, the classic process lens (not the newer variety, the original one). I know I have seen the 800mm, I think they made a 1000mm, and a 1700mm? What focal lengths in really long Apo Ronars are available? Does anybody have a link to any original Rodenstock literature?
Thanks in advance!
-Dan

John Jarosz
20-Apr-2009, 04:42
I have a 1985 Rodenstock lens brochure that has quite a bit of info on the Apo-Ronars.
I believe it shows the complete Rodenstock line of lenses for 1985.

The brochure lists Apo-Ronar lenses at 150, 240, 300, 360, 420, 480, 600, 1000, & 1200mm. This brochure does not show an 800. It shows image circles, but does not include MTF information or resolution. For example, it shows an image circle of 496mm for the 600mm lens. I regularly use this lens on my 8x20, but I have never run out of coverage. I do not see any softness in the corners so I've concluded that because I'm contact printing everything, there is more useful image circle than 496mm. For the Apo-Ronars, it shows MTF data only for the 240mm lens.

I've converted the brochure to PDF, but I don't have a website so that you could download it. If you are interested in a copy, please PM me with your email address and I can email it to you. It is 6.2 MB in size.

John

Dan Fromm
20-Apr-2009, 05:38
The brochure can be seen at http://www.butzi.net/rodenstock/rodenstock.htm

Bob Salomon
20-Apr-2009, 06:26
As of 1994 the following were available:

Apo-Ronar
150mm f9

Apo-Ronar CL
240mm f9
300mm f9
360mm f9
480mm f9
485mm f9
600mm f9
760mm f14
800mm f9
890mm f14
1000mm f14
1000mm f16
1070mm f14
1200mm f14
1200mm f16
1800mm f16

In 1987 there was also:
Apo-Ronar-CL
520mm f9

None are currently in production

Don Dudenbostel
20-Apr-2009, 11:20
Daniel I hope you didn't get the one Calumet was selling on ebay. I purchased that lens a month ago and returned it because of mechanical issues, a big dent and the front and inner element were loose and rattling in the mount. Also it wasn't coated. Calumet is generally very good but they really slipped up on that one.

I picked up another from a forum member and love it although I'm about to sell it. I just picked up a minty Fujinon C 600mm.

Dan Fromm
20-Apr-2009, 12:13
Don, how can a modern lens not be coated?

8x10 user
20-Apr-2009, 20:42
Most of the Ronar's are single coated, but I am lucky enough to have found a single multicoated 600mm Ronar CL.

Joseph O'Neil
21-Apr-2009, 02:59
I have the 600mm myself, mounted on my 8x10. Friggin *huge* lens - probally how I got my hernia to begin with. :)

Still, looking at that list of the larger lenses, has anybody actually used one? I know on my 8x10 I have to use almost full extention of the bellows to get a focus. If you had a 1200 or 1800 mm apo -ronar, where the heck would you ever use the thing? 20x24?
:eek:

Daniel Unkefer
21-Apr-2009, 03:52
Still, looking at that list of the larger lenses, has anybody actually used one? I know on my 8x10 I have to use almost full extention of the bellows to get a focus. If you had a 1200 or 1800 mm apo -ronar, where the heck would you ever use the thing?

The late German photographer, Reinhart Wolf, used old long Apo Ronars, on a Sinar Norma system. This one looks like the 1000mm, with a 4x5 back. He shot the final images on 8x10.

The longest lenses I have used, in this same way, are my 480mm Rodenstock Apo Ronar, and my 59cm Zeiss Apo-Planar.

GPS
21-Apr-2009, 04:11
...

Still, looking at that list of the larger lenses, has anybody actually used one? I know on my 8x10 I have to use almost full extention of the bellows to get a focus. If you had a 1200 or 1800 mm apo -ronar, where the heck would you ever use the thing? 20x24?
:eek:

This kind of lenses makes perfect sense on specialized home made cameras...;)

Tracy Storer
29-Apr-2009, 09:25
I used to own both 800mm f/9 and 1000mm f/14 Apo-Ronars and they are excellent lenses.
Really excellent.
Large.
I sold them both in favor of a 760mm f/14 Apo-Ronar which is much more sensible in terms of size. I use it on 20x24 and will also be using it on my new 14x17 when I finish building it.

Daniel Unkefer
29-Apr-2009, 15:55
I used to own both 800mm f/9 and 1000mm f/14 Apo-Ronars and they are excellent lenses.
Really excellent.
Large.
I sold them both in favor of a 760mm f/14 Apo-Ronar which is much more sensible in terms of size. I use it on 20x24 and will also be using it on my new 14x17 when I finish building it.

Tracy,
Thanks for the info. The 800mm F9 Apo Ronar is listed in my original sinar Norma price list, available in barrel mount for $780 US dollars. This was in July 1966.

Do you know where there are any original specs on the old original Apo Ronars? The 760mm F14 certainly sounds interesting, especially if it would fit directly on a Norma board. Of course these lenses must be forward-mounted, to work with the Norma shutters.

Daniel Unkefer
29-Apr-2009, 19:05
Here is another image of Reinhart Wolf, later in his life, as he worked on his magnificent book CASTLES IN SPAIN. Notice the 8x10 Sinar Norma, and the -monster- process lens on his camera setup. Can anybody here identify the lens:

Steve M Hostetter
29-Apr-2009, 20:10
Daniel,,, by the looks of the bellows extention I'd say in the neighborhood of 1200mm-1800mm

Bob Salomon
30-Apr-2009, 06:22
Tracy,
Thanks for the info. The 800mm F9 Apo Ronar is listed in my original sinar Norma price list, available in barrel mount for $780 US dollars. This was in July 1966.

Do you know where there are any original specs on the old original Apo Ronars? The 760mm F14 certainly sounds interesting, especially if it would fit directly on a Norma board. Of course these lenses must be forward-mounted, to work with the Norma shutters.

The 760 Apo Ronar CL had an effective focal length of 763.3mm ±0.5%. Max. Format at 1:1 was 26 x 30". Recommended scale was 1/10 to 10x. 67mm filter thread, 81.5mm overall length, 747.9 = flange focal length at infinity, maximum diameter is 105mm, mounting flange thread is M90 x 1.

Optimal aperture was f22 - f32.

Gord Robinson
30-Apr-2009, 08:53
Bob - I have a 420mm f9 Apo Ronar - where does it fit into your schedule of lenses and what is the maximum format can it be used with.

Gord


As of 1994 the following were available:

Apo-Ronar
150mm f9

Apo-Ronar CL
240mm f9
300mm f9
360mm f9
480mm f9
485mm f9
600mm f9
760mm f14
800mm f9
890mm f14
1000mm f14
1000mm f16
1070mm f14
1200mm f14
1200mm f16
1800mm f16

In 1987 there was also:
Apo-Ronar-CL
520mm f9

None are currently in production

Bob Salomon
30-Apr-2009, 09:43
Bob - I have a 420mm f9 Apo Ronar - where does it fit into your schedule of lenses and what is the maximum format can it be used with.

Gord

Gord,

Sorry, I have no listing for a 420mm Apo Ronar or Apo Ronar CL

Barry Wilkinson
30-Apr-2009, 10:44
I also have a 420mm f9 Apo Ronar CL. They seem to be quite rare?

Barry

Struan Gray
30-Apr-2009, 10:55
The 420 Apo Ronar sold in shutter is included in the brochure Dan Fromm linked to at the start of this thread. The coverage of the barrel CL version will be very similar, if not identical. It will supposedly just cover 8x10 at f22. I have certainly never run out of movements on 4x5.

Wolf's long Apo-Ronars were sold on eBay.de last year. From memory, the one shown on the camera in this the second image in this thread looks like the 1200.

Len Middleton
30-Apr-2009, 11:04
As a certified "packrat" (genetic issue, as I am the son of a packrat), I happen to have a Rodenstock "Lenses for Large Format Cameras" brochure dated 4/89 that lists the 420mm Apo Ronar f9 (no "CL" indication).

The 420mm appears to be a bit of an "odd bird" as the 150mm, 240mm, 300, & 360mm are listed as 48 degree angle of view @ f22, the 480mm & 600mm are listed at 46 degrees and the 420mm is listed as 42 degrees. All (150mm to 600mm)are four element designs.

Image circle for the 420mm is listed as being 323mm @ f22, and lists shift limits at infinity for 8x10.

Let me know if you need any other information on that lens.

Hope that helps,

Len

Daniel Unkefer
30-Apr-2009, 18:28
Wolf's long Apo-Ronars were sold on eBay.de last year.

Struan,
Did you follow those Wolf auctions? I'd be interested to know how the pricing went. Not too long ago I saw an Ebay auction for the 1700mm Apo Ronar, from a seller in South Africa. Asking price was $8000, or something like that. :eek: Looked way too big for a Sinar Norma board, too.

At the other end of the scale, Malone Camera in Dayton Ohio recently sold an 800mm F9 Apo Ronar for $399, it needed some work. Seriously tempted by that one.

Bob Salomon
1-May-2009, 12:05
Bob - I have a 420mm f9 Apo Ronar - where does it fit into your schedule of lenses and what is the maximum format can it be used with.

Gord

Found a brochure!

42° coverage, 67mm filter, 75mm slip-on size, 70mm rear diameter, 404.5 flange focal length, 68mm long without protective glass, 71.5mm with protective glass, 90mm x 1 mounting thread. The preceeding is for the lens in NF mount. Not in shutter. At f22 @1:1 it covered 16 x 20"(40x50cm). The 420mm was available as an Apo Ronar and as an Apo Ronar CL. The non CL had a 72mm x 1 mounting thread. Both had an effective focal length of 421.3mm. On the CL smallest aperture was f90. On the non CL it was f260. Rear mount on CL was 88.5mm and the flange focal length on the CL was 401mm, length was 64mm and the maximum lens diameter was 105mm.

So which one do you have?

Dan Fromm
1-May-2009, 14:26
Interesting that the plain and CL don't have the same specifications. Bob, is this due to a redesign or to differences between the barrels?

Bob Salomon
1-May-2009, 15:33
Interesting that the plain and CL don't have the same specifications. Bob, is this due to a redesign or to differences between the barrels?

All they told us was that the CL had a linear diaphragm scale and the non CL didn't. As we never sold any of the Apo Ronars in NF mount I can't answer your question.

Armin Seeholzer
1-May-2009, 15:56
Looked way too big for a Sinar Norma board, too.

There was a special 5x7 Frontstandard with larger lensboard for the Norma availabel, for thos big beasts!
And also a special bellows to thad front, it was damned expensiv, as all special items from Sinar!

Cheers Armin

Gord Robinson
1-May-2009, 18:36
Bob - thanks for taking the time to find the information on the lens. The only information on the lens is that it is a Apo-Ronar 420mm f9. It is mounted in a Copal 3 shutter and the aperture scale goes to f90 although the aperture close done further past f90 so I guess it must close to f260. It is interesting that it will cover 16x20 so now I will have to mount it on my 8x10 Kodak 2D and try it out. Both caps are present and the lens is in mint condition.

Do you have any idea when they made the 420mm lens?

Thanks
Gord

Len Middleton
2-May-2009, 07:26
Gord,

As per Bob's comments above it covers 16x20 at 1:1 @ f22. At infinity however, its coverage @ f22 is 323mm or just a little over 8x10 with some movement.

You need to watch the specs (1:1 reproduction versus at infinity) on those process lenses.

Regards,

Len

Struan Gray
4-May-2009, 05:54
Struan,
Did you follow those Wolf auctions? I'd be interested to know how the pricing went.

Daniel, I'm afraid I didn't keep a record of the final price for the Wolf Apo-Ronars. I'm trying to wean myself off gawping at long lenses on eBay :-)

Of course, you only have the seller's word for it that they were the actual lenses used by Wolf. On the other hand, there's no reason why not.

Among the auctions I have cluttering up my hard drive, I have a couple for 1070 mm Apo-Ronars which fetched 750-800 Euros. The only listings for 1800 mm Apo-Ronars I have seen were asking 15 000 to 20 000 as a buy-it-now price, and I lost interest at that level.

Roland Wirtz is a photographer who uses one of the long Apo-Ronars to photograph whole football games onto ULF in a home-made box camera. Exploring his photostream on Flickr is a good way to get a feel for the logistics of using these beasts:

Attaching a lens: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9441978@N04/1578471836/sizes/o/in/set-72157602433070433/

The thing on the right is a camera too: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9441978@N04/1577736509/sizes/o/in/set-72157602433305837/

Struan Gray
12-May-2009, 12:42
http://cgi.ebay.de/Sinar-Objektiv-Rodenstock-APO-RONAR-CL-1-16-f-1800mm_W0QQitemZ150345006748QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDE_Elektronik_Computer_Foto_Camcorder_Foto_Camcorderzubehör_PM?hash=item150345006748&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

PS: note that the lensboard is one of the special ones that fit on the 13x18 standard.

Marco Annaratone
14-May-2009, 03:16
At the end of this paper (http://www.1827.eu/In_the_Land_of_Giants.html) you can find a picture of a six-glass APO-Ronar 16/1000. The weight is about ten pounds.
Cheers!

Void
21-May-2009, 04:00
Which Apo-Ronars were oryginaly avalible in shutter?
I know about 360mm and 480mm.

Arne Croell
21-May-2009, 04:11
Which Apo-Ronars were oryginaly avalible in shutter?
I know about 360mm and 480mm.
When size 5 (Compound 5 or Compur 5FS) shutters were still available, longer ones could be had in shutters, at least up to 1000mm.

Armin Seeholzer
21-May-2009, 15:04
"Which Apo-Ronars were oryginaly avalible in shutter?
I know about 360mm and 480mm."

150 mm, 240mm, 300mm, 360mm, 480mm

MFG Armin

Daniel Unkefer
21-May-2009, 15:16
From the Norma era, from -The SINAR Construction Unit-

150mm F9 in Compur 0
240mm F9 in Compur 1
300mm F9 in Compur 1
480mm F9 in Compound 1VR 10/2
600mm F9 in Compound VR 12/2

I have all of these lenses in barrel mount on Norma boards, they are all excellent and all well worth having.

Arne Croell
21-May-2009, 15:20
From the Norma era, from -The SINAR Construction Unit-

150mm F9 in Compur 0
240mm F9 in Compur 1
300mm F9 in Compur 1
480mm F9 in Compound 1VR 10/2
600mm F9 in Compound VR 12/2

I have all of these lenses in barrel mount on Norma boards, they are all excellent and all well worth having.

The 360mm came in a Compur 2, later in a Copal or Compur 3. The 1000mm was available in a Compur 5FS.

Daniel Unkefer
22-May-2009, 03:50
I also just got the 360mm F9 in a barrel.
Great lens, want to use it on my new 5x7 Norma.

Well, I see that the 1800mm F16 Apo-Ronar CL went for 2.740,00 Euros. A bit over my price range :eek: and I'm looking for the earlier series of lenses, from the sixties. The 800mm F9 barrel would be great, it will fit on a regular SINAR Norma board, I should have bought the one for $399 at Malones. Would have driven to Dayton to pick it up. Oh Well :p

Daniel Unkefer
30-May-2009, 09:42
Here's a nice big process lens, The 1050mm F10 Zeiss Apo-Planar. Dosen't look like it includes the retaining ring. I am looking for the original 1000mm Rodenstock Apo-Ronar. I -do- have the 600mm F9 Zeiss Apo-Planar, which I had forward-mounted on a SINAR Norma board. That's a great lens, I mean really great, heavy as a boat anchor :) The 1050mm Big Brother would be good, but I am trying to finish my set of original Apo-Ronars:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280348762559&viewitem=&salenotsupported

Daniel Unkefer
24-Dec-2009, 08:50
Here's my 600 Apo Ronar, mounted onto a Norma board. Glenn Evans in Chicago did the forward-mounting on the flange, and did a fabulous job. The 600mm Apo Ronar and 800mm Apo Ronar were the longest lenses, in original Sinar Norma literature.

Here is my (new) lens on a 5x7 Norma:

Daniel Unkefer
12-Jan-2010, 17:02
OK, Just got another --long-- one. The 760mm F14 (30") Rodenstock Apo-Ronar.
Thanks to Jim Andracki at Midwest Photo, who called me today about it. Flange is roughly eight inches across, will be tricky to mount it on a Norma board, perhaps the flange can be carved-down in size, depending on the weight of the lens :eek: .

Have not seen any references to the 760mm.

Tracy Storer
12-Jan-2010, 23:20
760mm f/14 is a compact lens, I have one and love it for that reason...don't know why Jim said the flange is 8" across....the lens is less than 4 1/8" in diameter

I sold my 800 f/9 Ronar and 35" Artar in favor of the 760/14 Ronar All excellent lenses, but I occasionally hand carry lenses in a Pelican case on planes and the 800/9 and 35" Artar were just too bulky and heavy. Also had a 1000/14or16 Ronar...beautiful, but a bit too long, even for 20x24, I hardly ever used it. (mostly studio work)

Armin Seeholzer
13-Jan-2010, 11:48
Wolf Reinhard used the Sinar Norma Spezial 5x7 with the 5x7 front for large lenses, here I think its the longest 1200mm which he used and then from the 5x7 , also spezial bellows from 5x7 to 8x10 back! I do not think thad the 1200 mm would fit on a normal 4x5 lensboard its also this spezial lensboard for the 5x7 front, which was very expensive as all special items from Sinar.

Cheers Armin

Daniel Unkefer
14-Jan-2010, 05:37
760mm f/14 is a compact lens, I have one and love it for that reason...don't know why Jim said the flange is 8" across....the lens is less than 4 1/8" in diameter (mostly studio work)

Hi Tracy,
Thanks for the information, I'm excited about my new 30" Apo-Ronar. Actually Jim didn't say anything about the size of the flange, but it was listed in their Ebay ad. The lens didn't sell on Ebay, and he offered it to me for $200. I could hardly refuse, even my wife thinks I should buy it!:) :) :) :)

I live in Columbus, he is holding it for me, and I'll pick it up Saturday. I'm sure it weighs a ton! Will send the flange and a Norma board to Glenn Evans, for forward-mounting, to go on the Sinar Norma/shutter.

Tracy Storer
14-Jan-2010, 09:33
. I'm sure it weighs a ton! .

Nope. You will be pleasantly surprised if it's the same version as mine. $200 is a steal !

Michael Jones
14-Jan-2010, 10:39
In the late 70s or early 80s, Rodenstock made a 72" lens for Doug Busch's (if my memory serves me correctly) 6' diagonal ULF camera. There is a mention of it with a photo in an early 90s View Camera article. While showing the camera mounted on seperate stands with multiple feet of bellows between them, the lens was relatively compact on the lens board. I'd be willing to wagetr it was a process lens, a one-off Apo Ronar.

Perhaps someone with that magazine handy and a scanner can make us all feel we use too small a format...

Mike

Steve Goldstein
14-Jan-2010, 10:55
I have dim recollections of that Doug Busch article. As I recall, six such lenses had been made, and someone(s) at Rodenstock helped Doug track one down.

No doubt somebody with a copy of that issue at hand will chime in and destroy my fantasy...

Joerg Krusche
14-Jan-2010, 11:45
@ Armin,

on the photograph of R. Wolf you can see he uses on his Norma system a 16/1000 Apo Ronar mounted in front of a Sinar/Copal shutter .. for the 16/1000 CL you will have to mount on an inverted 4/5 to 5/7 bellows .. a preferable way is to mount front and rear elements of the MC coated Apo Ronar's 16/1000 CL on a Compur 5FS .. thus torque is reduced onto the front standard since it is better balanced. The 1200 mm versions are just toooo heavy .. it is the glass that causes the weight not the barrel housing,

best,

joerg

Daniel Unkefer
16-Jan-2010, 13:24
Here's a close-up of the front end of Reinhart Wolf's Sinar Norma, taken from his magnificent book "CASTLES IN SPAIN". Quite a -big- process lens (not an Apo Ronar but I could be wrong), for this setup, he used 8x10 Norma rear standard with standard tapered bellows, and two (fully extended) regular square Norma bellows. Notice how the lens is supported, front and back, by a Norma front and rear standard, very clever. And then, a fully extended compendium (square bellows) in the front of the lens. Two large tripods were required, one front and back. He used the black Sinar P rail clamps (two of them) rather than the Green Norma ones.

Daniel Unkefer
16-Jan-2010, 13:57
And here is my new 760mm F14 (30") Rodenstock Apo-Ronar. Smaller than the 600mm F9, I am surprised, due to the F14 aperture, no doubt. Lens is in mint condition, flange size is not a problem, see Norma board next to it. It will still need to be forward-mounted to work with the Sinar Norma Shutter, the rear mount does intrude inside against the shutter, just a bit too much, after carefully measuring it.

Armin Seeholzer
16-Jan-2010, 14:01
I just know only from the Sinar Architectural Book thad he used APO Ronars from 360-1200mm for hes New York shoots!

I do not know what he used later for the spain castels.

Armin

Arne Croell
16-Jan-2010, 14:10
Here's a close-up of the front end of Reinhart Wolf's Sinar Norma, taken from his magnificent book "CASTLES IN SPAIN". Quite a -big- process lens (not an Apo Ronar but I could be wrong),
Why not an Apo-Ronar? Because the shape is not a cylindrical barrel? The 6- and 8 lens high performance versions of the really long Apo-Ronars (1000mm) do have a "waist", whereas the 4-lens versions are always cylindrical.

Daniel Unkefer
16-Jan-2010, 14:29
Why not an Apo-Ronar? Because the shape is not a cylindrical barrel? The 6- and 8 lens high performance versions of the really long Apo-Ronars (1000mm) do have a "waist", whereas the 4-lens versions are always cylindrical.

Perhaps that is a later 1200mm Apo Ronar(?), I've never seen one to be familar with it. All my Apo Ronars (150, 240, 300, 360, 420, 600, and now 760) are the earlier version, they are all identical in shape.

Daniel Unkefer
18-Jan-2010, 17:18
I have discovered that the 600mm F9 and the 760mm F14 take the same size lens flange, so I already have a forward-mounted board that works with this lens. Just interchange the two lenses between the board. :)

Here is my 760mm F14 Rodenstock Apo-Ronar, mounted on my 5x7 Sinar Norma. It would be better to have two square bellows, and auxiliary standards (in addition to the 5x7 to 4x5 bellows) with a lens of this focal length, after having set it up for a close-up. It's a bit darker to look through than the F9 shorter lenses, but a very impressive view. Will be exposing test film with the 760mm shortly, working out an issue with daylight film developing tanks. Have some 5x7 Shanghai B&W tests ready to develop, shot with the 600mm F9.

Joerg Krusche
19-Jan-2010, 04:04
Daniel,

Wolf's Apo Ronar very much looks like the the early version of the 8-element 16/1000 Apo Ronar .. Arne has that version mounted on a shutter ! .. the 1200mm is bigger compared to the Norma standards .. enjoy your 600 and 760 !!.

joerg

Daniel Unkefer
19-Jan-2010, 05:13
Thank You Joerg,
I have always wondered what "that monster" could be. Perhaps if I am lucky, I will find one one day. From a giant process camera, no doubt. I'm sure I will enjoy my two new lenses. I'll take them out, when it warms up around here. Need to blacken the back of my new forward-mounted board. I'll use black adhesive flocking paper, I think. Best Regards to you.
-Dan

Daniel Unkefer
21-Feb-2010, 09:16
Three 18" Rails, Two Auxiliary Standards, Two Pan-Tilt Heads, Two Tripods, 5x7 Norma. Very Solid on Concrete Floor. New 600mm F9 Apo-Ronar on Forward-Mounted Norma Cone Board, found when spring-cleaning in my Studio:eek: . Need a few more 18" Rails, another Auxiliary Standard (for Compendium Hood) and I'm about all set to use this setup. Also with the new 760mm F9 Apo-Ronar.

Did Sinar make an extra-long Norma cable, to go from the shutter to the rear standard? Have to find one of those, also.

Daniel Unkefer
26-Mar-2010, 04:15
Not -extremely- long, but here's my new Rodenstock 420mm 16.5" F9 Apo Ronar. Just had an enjoyable evening in my shop, cutting the Norma board and attaching the lens. Bought it a while ago, it's in perfect condition, and only fifty dollars on -that website-. Lens flange came from Midwest Photo. It will definately get some use.

Armin Seeholzer
26-Mar-2010, 12:06
Did Sinar make an extra-long Norma cable, to go from the shutter to the rear standard? Have to find one of those, also.

As far as I know there have been 2 posibilitys one was a longer one and a part for to put 2 together!

Cheers Armin

Daniel Unkefer
26-Mar-2010, 15:23
As far as I know there have been 2 posibilitys one was a longer one and a part for to put 2 together!

Cheers Armin

Thanks Armin! That is what I have heard, there was a connector to put two Norma shutter cables together, and they also made an extra-long cable. I have never seen either in over twenty-five years, but I will keep looking. I have three or four of the regular length cables, but this rig requires more ---stretch---.

GPS
26-Mar-2010, 15:55
...
I have three or four of the regular length cables, but this rig requires more ---stretch---.

Why??:confused:

Daniel Unkefer
28-Mar-2010, 16:10
Why??:confused:

There is an automated cable which goes from the Sinar Norma shutter, to the plate holder, in the rear standard. With so much bellows extension (with these longer lenses), a longer automated cable is necessary. The entire process is much quicker with the cable, all camera functions can be performed from behind the camera, if all is in place. Result is, faster to operate and more assurance in actual use.

Armin Seeholzer
29-Mar-2010, 12:31
This cable closes the shutter if a holder is put between the groundglass und back!

Cheers Armin

GPS
29-Mar-2010, 12:36
This cable closes the shutter if a holder is put between the groundglass und back!

Cheers Armin

Thanks guys, I just didn't notice it was the special shutter in question, hence my wondering...:o

Marco Annaratone
6-Apr-2011, 21:55
After a very long wait I was able to have a properly reinforced Deardorff board built to be able to use my Apo-Ronar 1000/16 on my 14x17 Lotus. I think it is the 6 lens version. I will also have to put a second tripod to support the front standard, given the weight of the beast. What helps with the Lotus is the presence of a locking mechanism in the front standard that prevents any downward movement even with extremely heavy lenses. Having said this, I am not contemplating any tilt just yet! The bellows extension plus the lever effect on the front standard will create ample opportunities for horrific vibrations ... hmmmmm .... we'll see...

Summer is coming .... :rolleyes:

http://www.resonantlink.com/fa/apo-ronar-lotus-1.jpg

http://www.resonantlink.com/fa/apo-ronar-lotus-2.jpg

http://www.resonantlink.com/fa/apo-ronar-lotus-3.jpg

daytona
11-May-2011, 06:59
no shutter?

JJeffrey
12-May-2011, 14:45
Three 18" Rails, Two Auxiliary Standards, Two Pan-Tilt Heads, Two Tripods, 5x7 Norma. Very Solid on Concrete Floor. New 600mm F9 Apo-Ronar on Forward-Mounted Norma Cone Board, found when spring-cleaning in my Studio:eek: . Need a few more 18" Rails, another Auxiliary Standard (for Compendium Hood) and I'm about all set to use this setup. Also with the new 760mm F9 Apo-Ronar.

Did Sinar make an extra-long Norma cable, to go from the shutter to the rear standard? Have to find one of those, also.

Erm... uh... Daniel, I throw you roses for trying this, but I have to say you just dissuaded me from acquiring or attempting to use any longer lenses than the 530mm Cooke Process Anastigmat Vb I already own. Your attached photo could almost be captioned: "Visual demonstration of the law of diminishing returns". ;)

johnielvis
12-May-2011, 15:28
how about THIS----11x14 2d with 2 metres of bellows to use 44" xxl schneider

Joseph O'Neil
14-May-2011, 08:13
600mm apo-ronar pon my old C1 8x10. I was going to say "mnorail", but I guess it's a "dual-rail",eh? :)

My "shutter" at this point is my lens cap, slow film, F64 and "onesteamboat, twosteamboat..." :).

I do have 2 or 3 packard shutters (2 in workign condition) and if time ever permits, I want to build a box behind a couple of my process lenses, including my apo-ronar, but right now i find it hard to just get time in the darkroom or to even shoot. Also if I win a lottery, maybe a new 8x10 feild camera too.


About the re-inforced lens boards, I ended up going to a local commercail-industrial plastic supplier, and had custom made/cut 1/4 inch thick black plexiglass baords to hold the weight. the front I left shinny and the inside of the lens board I first scored up with snadpaper to make a matte, non-reflective surface for inside the camera on the back of the lens board.

This particualr lens itself was one I personally took off an old process camera, specifcially the St. Thomas Times-Journal newspaper of St. Thomas, Ontario (the place Jumbo the elephant was killed by a train, and not too far away either from the actual spot). The newspaper is now part of a larger chain, and very little is done on process cameras anymore, anywhere, or so it seems. My other process lenses are form the old camera that used to be used in the Dept. of Cartography at the University of Western Ontario, I have a small apo - artar I use on my 4x5, and a nice Brown process lens, measured in inches - forget the exact length, but works out to 355mm. all F9


Edit-
I jsut noticed I cought a lens in teh background. In case you are wondering, it's an old aerial camera lens. Maybe I'll do a new thread about it




joe

Marco Annaratone
26-May-2011, 02:12
Here are some numbers from my 1000/16 Apo-Ronar CL on the 14x17 Lotus.

Maximum bellows extension: 1200mm
Minimum focus distance @ max bellows extension (film plane to subject): 7m @ f/45
No sign of vignetting @ f/16

Kevin J. Kolosky
28-May-2011, 07:07
I wonder how these monster Klimsch Apo Ronars compare to the other Apo Ronars?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c87/22wrf/004.jpg

Daniel Unkefer
29-Aug-2011, 06:20
I was very sorely tempted to bid on this one, but it's one that would require a 5x7 Sinar Norma front standard and special Sinar Norma 5x7/8x10 bellows, which I don't have at this point. So I let it go. The price was right considering.


The 1070mm (42") F14 Rodenstock Apo-Ronar:



http://www.ebay.com/itm/260839834487?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

cyrus
29-Aug-2011, 08:21
The price was right considering.

Yes, it was. ;)
Of course, we're talking about 7-foot bellows draw for 1:1

Daniel Unkefer
18-Sep-2011, 12:12
Yes, it was. ;)
Of course, we're talking about 7-foot bellows draw for 1:1


Cyrus,
You have quite a rare lens there.
How are you intending to use it?
-Dan

cyrus
18-Sep-2011, 19:19
Cyrus,
You have quite a rare lens there.
How are you intending to use it?
-Dan

24x28 wetplate camera. The glass was flawless btw. I'm having a carpenter friend build a special box for it and am considering my options in padding. I was thinking using some "velvet"-lined neoprene but am worried about out-gassing from the rubber and its potential effects on the glass.

maneeacc
5-Jan-2012, 23:48
anyone has a 1070mm f14 for sale? would love to get my hands on one.

wiggywag
9-Oct-2012, 00:43
Does the Apo Ronar CL 860mm/35" 14f fit into a shutter?

Dan Fromm
9-Oct-2012, 05:59
http://www.skgrimes.com/lens-mounting/table-of-lenses-fitted-to-shutters

Mounting in an Ilex #5 or Compound #5 should be possible but the cells probably aren't a direct fit in either. Not inexpensive and you'll have to provide the shutter. But if you have the money, honey, skgrimes has the time.

hiend61
11-Oct-2012, 04:05
Does the Apo Ronar CL 860mm/35" 14f fit into a shutter?

I think that there is no Apo Ronar CL 860mm F14. There is a CL 890mm f14.

I had the oportunity to use one in a Sinar board with a Sinar Copal DB shutter on my P2 5x7. This lens was similar in size and shape to my CL 600/9.

Leigh
11-Oct-2012, 08:17
Still, looking at that list of the larger lenses, has anybody actually used one?
Have you ever seen a real process camera?

The local photo store had one for sale for several years; never did sell it.
It was as tall as I am with a bed about 20 feet long. The bellows was maybe three feet long collapsed.

- Leigh